10-bit SDI for $295

Hooty Sapperticker wrote:

 > In article <c3nssn$1bua$1@newsfeeds.rpi.edu>, zolo <zolo.DeleteThis@nospam.net>
 > wrote:
 >
 >
  >>Pretty incredible stuff:
  >>
  >>http://www.blackmagic-design.com/site/67press.htm
  >>
  >>-zolo
  >>
 >
 > I just started reading this group; "caught up" back to Dec 2003 now.
 > Am on verge of buying ADVC-100 by Canopus as it generates only praise.
 > I am not familiar with all the acronyms, e.g., SDI, and intend only a
 > variety of home/hobby/consumer-level uses. Does this new SDI appear to
 > do all the Canopus does for about the same price? Does it do anything
 > more? Sounds like I'm asking for a technical review comparing products,
 > the sort of thing people get significant monetary reward for. But I'd
 > be happy to read *any* comments. ---Ken

Hey Ken,

SDI probably wouldn't be of any use to you. It's Serial Digital
Interface, which is only found on very expensive professional video
hardware, i.e. Digital Betacam and high-end DVCPRO decks.

The ADVC-100 is a great product. If you're going to be capturing
from analog tapes of questionable quality, you might instead consider
the ADVC-300, which has a built-in time base corrector that helps
stabilize video signals from jittery/noisy sources.

-zolo<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <c3sp3v$vje$1@newsfeeds.rpi.edu>, zolo <zolo DeleteThis @nospam.net>
wrote:

 > Hooty Sapperticker wrote:
 >
  > > In article <c3nssn$1bua$1@newsfeeds.rpi.edu>, zolo <zolo DeleteThis @nospam.net>
  > > wrote:
  > >
  > >
   > >>Pretty incredible stuff:
   > >>
   > >>http://www.blackmagic-design.com/site/67press.htm
   > >>
   > >>-zolo
   > >>
  > >
  > > I just started reading this group; "caught up" back to Dec 2003 now.
  > > Am on verge of buying ADVC-100 by Canopus as it generates only praise.
  > > I am not familiar with all the acronyms, e.g., SDI, and intend only a
  > > variety of home/hobby/consumer-level uses. Does this new SDI appear to
  > > do all the Canopus does for about the same price? Does it do anything
  > > more? Sounds like I'm asking for a technical review comparing products,
  > > the sort of thing people get significant monetary reward for. But I'd
  > > be happy to read *any* comments. ---Ken
 >
 > Hey Ken,
 >
 > SDI probably wouldn't be of any use to you. It's Serial Digital
 > Interface, which is only found on very expensive professional video
 > hardware, i.e. Digital Betacam and high-end DVCPRO decks.

Loong at the specs for the advertised DeckLink I'd say you are correct.
They also make a DeckLink SP which would work for YUV component video.
That one lists for $595.

Of course, 10 bit 4:2:2 is overkill for a consumer level, you'll need a
fast system with large fast storage.

 > The ADVC-100 is a great product. If you're going to be capturing
 > from analog tapes of questionable quality, you might instead consider
 > the ADVC-300, which has a built-in time base corrector that helps
 > stabilize video signals from jittery/noisy sources.

I have both the ADVC-100 which works well on clean sources and recently
bought the ADVC-300 because I got sick of waiting for FCP to filter in
software. It will also do minor color correction, hue, saturation,
contrast, brightness, black & white level controls, etc. The ADVC-300
does a nice job and is extremely flexible.

FCP sees it as a controllable device so you can use it bi-directionally
for capture and FCP monitoring. It has a component output for a
broadcast monitor and comes with decent software to configure it. It
even has a selectable aspect ratio for the output monitor, 4:4 or 16:9.

I did find out it's very easy to over do the noise reduction. The 3D
noise reduction can cause major motion artifacts, mostly ghosting from
frame to frame, if it's set to high. The Y/C separation is pretty good
for composite inputs, at least as good as my high-end JVC monitor.

Sure it's more than the ADVC-100 but it's also much more capable and
flexible. I bought mine off of eBay from:
<http://stores.ebay.com/NEW-ITEMS-ONLY>
and it was also most as low as the Canopus academic price.
Sorry, but I can't praise this thing enough, especially for the amount
of time it's saved me.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Heather Donahue <nospam.TakeThisOut@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<nospam-63370B.12455524032004.TakeThisOut@typhoon.sonic.net>...
 > In article <c3sp3v$vje$1@newsfeeds.rpi.edu>, zolo <zolo.TakeThisOut@nospam.net>
 > wrote:
 >
  > > Hooty Sapperticker wrote:
  > >
   > > > In article <c3nssn$1bua$1@newsfeeds.rpi.edu>, zolo <zolo.TakeThisOut@nospam.net>
   > > > wrote:
   > > >
   > > >
   > > >>Pretty incredible stuff:
   > > >>
   > > >>http://www.blackmagic-design.com/site/67press.htm
   > > >>
   > > >>-zolo
   > > >>
   > > >
   > > > I just started reading this group; "caught up" back to Dec 2003 now.
   > > > Am on verge of buying ADVC-100 by Canopus as it generates only praise.
   > > > I am not familiar with all the acronyms, e.g., SDI, and intend only a
   > > > variety of home/hobby/consumer-level uses. Does this new SDI appear to
   > > > do all the Canopus does for about the same price? Does it do anything
   > > > more? Sounds like I'm asking for a technical review comparing products,
   > > > the sort of thing people get significant monetary reward for. But I'd
   > > > be happy to read *any* comments. ---Ken
  > >
  > > Hey Ken,
  > >
  > > SDI probably wouldn't be of any use to you. It's Serial Digital
  > > Interface, which is only found on very expensive professional video
  > > hardware, i.e. Digital Betacam and high-end DVCPRO decks.
 >
 > Loong at the specs for the advertised DeckLink I'd say you are correct.
 > They also make a DeckLink SP which would work for YUV component video.
 > That one lists for $595.
 >
 > Of course, 10 bit 4:2:2 is overkill for a consumer level, you'll need a
 > fast system with large fast storage.
 >
  > > The ADVC-100 is a great product. If you're going to be capturing
  > > from analog tapes of questionable quality, you might instead consider
  > > the ADVC-300, which has a built-in time base corrector that helps
  > > stabilize video signals from jittery/noisy sources.
 >
 > I have both the ADVC-100 which works well on clean sources and recently
 > bought the ADVC-300 because I got sick of waiting for FCP to filter in
 > software. It will also do minor color correction, hue, saturation,
 > contrast, brightness, black & white level controls, etc. The ADVC-300
 > does a nice job and is extremely flexible.
 >
 > FCP sees it as a controllable device so you can use it bi-directionally
 > for capture and FCP monitoring. It has a component output for a
 > broadcast monitor and comes with decent software to configure it. It
 > even has a selectable aspect ratio for the output monitor, 4:4 or 16:9.
 >
 > I did find out it's very easy to over do the noise reduction. The 3D
 > noise reduction can cause major motion artifacts, mostly ghosting from
 > frame to frame, if it's set to high. The Y/C separation is pretty good
 > for composite inputs, at least as good as my high-end JVC monitor.
 >
 > Sure it's more than the ADVC-100 but it's also much more capable and
 > flexible. I bought mine off of eBay from:
 > <http://stores.ebay.com/NEW-ITEMS-ONLY>
 > and it was also most as low as the Canopus academic price.
 > Sorry, but I can't praise this thing enough, especially for the amount
 > of time it's saved me.

Heather, zolo

How does the ADVC 300 compare with using a digital camcorder for
converting analog tapes with poorer quality to DV?
Thanks
John<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <3f981937.0403242127.388b090c RemoveThis @posting.google.com>,
downhill45 RemoveThis @yahoo.com (John) wrote:

 > Heather, zolo
 >
 > How does the ADVC 300 compare with using a digital camcorder for
 > converting analog tapes with poorer quality to DV?
 > Thanks
 > John

I can't really say, my camcorder is a Canon GRD-90 and while it's a
decent model, I haven't tried to record or passthough analog video.
Having the ADVC-100 I didn't have the need and don't want to put any
extra wear on the camcorder.

Reviews I've read say that the Canopus DV codec is of higher quality
than all but the professional units. The A/D conversion and DV codec in
a DV camcorder are likely to be of lower quality, the analog capture and
conversion is just a convenience. Profit margins are pretty low on
consumer level miniDV camcorders so they aren't going to put a top of
the line codec in it.

FWIW, I bought the ADVC-100 to work with pretty clean analog on S-VHS
recordings, using S-Video to transfer the signal. It was older, noisy
VHS tapes that I bought the ADVC-300 for. The VHS is transferred via
composite and the ADVC-300 does a nice job of separating and filtering
the video.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Heather Donahue <nospam.TakeThisOut@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<nospam-88BA5F.13343425032004.TakeThisOut@typhoon.sonic.net>...
 > In article <3f981937.0403242127.388b090c.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>,
 > downhill45.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (John) wrote:
 >
  > > Heather, zolo
  > >
  > > How does the ADVC 300 compare with using a digital camcorder for
  > > converting analog tapes with poorer quality to DV?
  > > Thanks
  > > John
 >
 > I can't really say, my camcorder is a Canon GRD-90 and while it's a
 > decent model, I haven't tried to record or passthough analog video.
 > Having the ADVC-100 I didn't have the need and don't want to put any
 > extra wear on the camcorder.
 >
 > Reviews I've read say that the Canopus DV codec is of higher quality
 > than all but the professional units. The A/D conversion and DV codec in
 > a DV camcorder are likely to be of lower quality, the analog capture and
 > conversion is just a convenience. Profit margins are pretty low on
 > consumer level miniDV camcorders so they aren't going to put a top of
 > the line codec in it.
 >
 > FWIW, I bought the ADVC-100 to work with pretty clean analog on S-VHS
 > recordings, using S-Video to transfer the signal. It was older, noisy
 > VHS tapes that I bought the ADVC-300 for. The VHS is transferred via
 > composite and the ADVC-300 does a nice job of separating and filtering
 > the video.

Heather

Thanks for the response. I have some old tapes going back 25 years
that I've converted using the Pinnacle DC10+ card over the last couple
years. Although I am happy to have the tapes backed up, there is a
loss of quality with the DC10+ and I would like to recapture with less
loss. Your thoughts on the camcorder are what I have been thinking and
I am leaning towards getting a Canopus unless I get some info to the
contrary.

Canopus has an example of the ADVC 300 noise filter on their web page
which I fine very impressive. Have you seen the example and is the
filter really that good?
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.canopus.us/US/products/ADVC300/pt_advc300.asp" target="_blank">http://www.canopus.us/US/products/ADVC300/pt_advc300.asp</a>

Thanks
John<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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