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In article <bradman-AF2E6E.21331610102003 DeleteThis @news.west.cox.net>,
Brad Oliver <bradman DeleteThis @pobox.com.AM_SPAY> wrote:
 > In article <bm6omj$gr1$0@216.39.173.68>, RobertVB <nospam DeleteThis @4me.com>
 > wrote:
  > > Thank you Brad for continuing to support this great program.
 > It's my pleasure. I loved working on Alice. It was different enough and
 > had such a unique spin that I enjoy playing it to this day.

I read somewhere that American McGee is working on a "Wizard of Oz"
game now. Is that true?

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In article <bradman-AF2E6E.21331610102003.RemoveThis@news.west.cox.net>,
Brad Oliver <bradman.RemoveThis@pobox.com.AM_SPAY> wrote:

 > In article <bm6omj$gr1$0@216.39.173.68>, RobertVB <nospam.RemoveThis@4me.com>
 > wrote:
  > > Thank you Brad for continuing to support this great program.
 > It's my pleasure. I loved working on Alice. It was different enough and
 > had such a unique spin that I enjoy playing it to this day.

Thanks for the update. B)

I notice it's no longer fooled by disk images though. B(

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In article <bradman-AF2E6E.21331610102003.TakeThisOut@news.west.cox.net>,
Brad Oliver <bradman.TakeThisOut@pobox.com.AM_SPAY> wrote:

 > In article <bm6omj$gr1$0@216.39.173.68>, RobertVB <nospam.TakeThisOut@4me.com>
 > wrote:
 >
  > > Thank you Brad for continuing to support this great program.
 >
 > It's my pleasure. I loved working on Alice. It was different enough and
 > had such a unique spin that I enjoy playing it to this day.

Two bugs:

€ Sound crackles (at least in intro and menu selection).
€ Game crashes after a level finishes loading.

According to the update readme, the system requirements include:
"MacOS X 10.0.2". Should this have read "MacOS X 10.2"? I'm on 10.1.5,
so that would explain why it crashes. If so it's no big deal - since
I'll be upgrading to 10.3 in the near future.

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In article <clund-5492B2.13033611102003 DeleteThis @amstwist00.chello.com>,
C Lund <clund DeleteThis @NOSPAMnotam02.no> wrote:

 > Two bugs:
 >
 > € Sound crackles (at least in intro and menu selection).
 > € Game crashes after a level finishes loading.

Did you use the previous 1.1 beta builds? It generated incompatible
save-game files.

If you are getting level loading crashes with a clean Alice install
updated to 1.1.1, I'd like to know more about that, with perhaps a crash
log and a detail of which level.

The documentation on system requirements should be more or less
accurate. Alice was originally tested on 10.0.2, and might still work on
that. However, I don't think this build was QA'd against it. In all
honesty, the minimum OS should probably be bumped to 10.1, because
there's no benefit to fixing bugs that only happen under 10.0.x.

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In article <clund-5492B2.13033611102003.DeleteThis@amstwist00.chello.com>,
C Lund <clund.DeleteThis@NOSPAMnotam02.no> wrote:

 > In article <bradman-AF2E6E.21331610102003.DeleteThis@news.west.cox.net>,
 > Brad Oliver <bradman.DeleteThis@pobox.com.AM_SPAY> wrote:
 >
  > > In article <bm6omj$gr1$0@216.39.173.68>, RobertVB <nospam.DeleteThis@4me.com>
  > > wrote:
  > >
   > > > Thank you Brad for continuing to support this great program.
  > >
  > > It's my pleasure. I loved working on Alice. It was different enough and
  > > had such a unique spin that I enjoy playing it to this day.
 >
 > Two bugs:
 >
 > € Sound crackles (at least in intro and menu selection).
 > € Game crashes after a level finishes loading.
 >
 > According to the update readme, the system requirements include:
 > "MacOS X 10.0.2". Should this have read "MacOS X 10.2"? I'm on 10.1.5,
 > so that would explain why it crashes. If so it's no big deal - since
 > I'll be upgrading to 10.3 in the near future.
 >
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  > > Brad Oliver
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Remember, the game was released around the same time 10.0.2 was
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In article <bradman-0251EB.14322211102003 DeleteThis @news.west.cox.net>,
Brad Oliver <bradman DeleteThis @pobox.com.AM_SPAY> wrote:
 > In article <clund-5492B2.13033611102003 DeleteThis @amstwist00.chello.com>,
 > C Lund <clund DeleteThis @NOSPAMnotam02.no> wrote:
  > > Two bugs:

  > > € Sound crackles (at least in intro and menu selection).
  > > € Game crashes after a level finishes loading.

 > Did you use the previous 1.1 beta builds? It generated incompatible
 > save-game files.

Nope. This is the first Alice patch I've applied, and I trashed
everything in the save folder before I started a new game.

Maybe I should have dumped the prefs as well?

 > If you are getting level loading crashes with a clean Alice install
 > updated to 1.1.1, I'd like to know more about that, with perhaps a crash
 > log and a detail of which level.

The first level. I'll make a clean install of Alice tomorrow and try
again.

 > The documentation on system requirements should be more or less
 > accurate. Alice was originally tested on 10.0.2, and might still work on
 > that. However, I don't think this build was QA'd against it. In all
 > honesty, the minimum OS should probably be bumped to 10.1, because
 > there's no benefit to fixing bugs that only happen under 10.0.x.

IIRC 10.2 included some updates to OpenGL, and if the patch also had
some OpenGL updates then it would probably crash on everything below
10.2.0. Or maybe not?

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In article <bradman-0251EB.14322211102003 DeleteThis @news.west.cox.net>,
Brad Oliver <bradman DeleteThis @pobox.com.AM_SPAY> wrote:
 > In article <clund-5492B2.13033611102003 DeleteThis @amstwist00.chello.com>,
 > C Lund <clund DeleteThis @NOSPAMnotam02.no> wrote:
  > > Two bugs:
  > > € Sound crackles (at least in intro and menu selection).
  > > € Game crashes after a level finishes loading.

 > If you are getting level loading crashes with a clean Alice install
 > updated to 1.1.1, I'd like to know more about that, with perhaps a crash
 > log and a detail of which level.

I dumped the Alice folder and then reinstalled the game from the CD
before applying the 1.1.1 update. I started the app, selected "new
game", and when the first level was done loading, the app crashed just
like before.

So I went into the Console prefs to get it to save the crash log.
Restart Alice. New Game... but now it doesn't crash. Huh? Turning off
the crash log didn't make any difference; it doesn't crash any more.

Guess that means it's not a problem for me.

The sounds is still horribly crackly in the intro and garbled in the
game itself - but that is solved by reducing the sound to 22 MHz.

All in all this means the patched game now runs just fine. The only
bug I can see now is the appearance of the mouse cursor in the intro
movie. Wish I didn't need to have the CD in the drive though. B(

 > Brad Oliver
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In article <clund-95C561.12255511102003.TakeThisOut@amstwist00.chello.com>,
C Lund <clund.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMnotam02.no> wrote:

 > In article <bradman-AF2E6E.21331610102003.TakeThisOut@news.west.cox.net>,
 > Brad Oliver <bradman.TakeThisOut@pobox.com.AM_SPAY> wrote:
  > > In article <bm6omj$gr1$0@216.39.173.68>, RobertVB <nospam.TakeThisOut@4me.com>
  > > wrote:
   > > > Thank you Brad for continuing to support this great program.
  > > It's my pleasure. I loved working on Alice. It was different enough and
  > > had such a unique spin that I enjoy playing it to this day.
 >
 > I read somewhere that American McGee is working on a "Wizard of Oz"
 > game now. Is that true?

Yeah., "American McGee's Oz".

<http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/americanmcgeesoz/index.html>

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In article <clund-900AB0.11250112102003 RemoveThis @amstwist00.chello.com>,
C Lund <clund RemoveThis @NOSPAMnotam02.no> wrote:

 > In article <bradman-0251EB.14322211102003 RemoveThis @news.west.cox.net>,
 > Brad Oliver <bradman RemoveThis @pobox.com.AM_SPAY> wrote:
  > > In article <clund-5492B2.13033611102003 RemoveThis @amstwist00.chello.com>,
  > > C Lund <clund RemoveThis @NOSPAMnotam02.no> wrote:
   > > > Two bugs:
   > > > € Sound crackles (at least in intro and menu selection).
   > > > € Game crashes after a level finishes loading.
 >
  > > If you are getting level loading crashes with a clean Alice install
  > > updated to 1.1.1, I'd like to know more about that, with perhaps a crash
  > > log and a detail of which level.
 >
 > I dumped the Alice folder and then reinstalled the game from the CD
 > before applying the 1.1.1 update. I started the app, selected "new
 > game", and when the first level was done loading, the app crashed just
 > like before.
 >
 > So I went into the Console prefs to get it to save the crash log.
 > Restart Alice. New Game... but now it doesn't crash. Huh? Turning off
 > the crash log didn't make any difference; it doesn't crash any more.
 >
 > Guess that means it's not a problem for me.
 >
 > The sounds is still horribly crackly in the intro and garbled in the
 > game itself - but that is solved by reducing the sound to 22 MHz.
 >
 > All in all this means the patched game now runs just fine. The only
 > bug I can see now is the appearance of the mouse cursor in the intro
 > movie. Wish I didn't need to have the CD in the drive though. B(
 >
  > > Brad Oliver
  > > bradman RemoveThis @pobox.com.AM_SPAY

The new app saves preferences in the Application Support folder now.
Dump those too.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <clund-900AB0.11250112102003.RemoveThis@amstwist00.chello.com>, C Lund
<clund.RemoveThis@NOSPAMnotam02.no> wrote:

 > The sounds is still horribly crackly in the intro and garbled in the
 > game itself - but that is solved by reducing the sound to 22 MHz.


Same experience, same solution.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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