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(Msg. 46) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:27 am
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(Msg. 47) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:02 am
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:54:33 +0100, Erik Richard Sørensen
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>> If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you?
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>First I don't think that jesus knew KJV at the time, he walked around
>here on earth.:-)
Some jokes don't need explaining.
>And - as I'm a theologian with a MD, you can't make further studying
>withot studying various types of translations in more languages. - No
>translation is perfect from the original Greek and/or Hebrew texts.
Lots of people seem to disagree. They Know that their interpretation
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(Msg. 48) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:49 pm
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In <47d6a94f$0$5038$ba624c82@nntp06.dk.telia.net>, Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
> That's no problem with The New Testament, since it is written in Koine Greek,
> - but The Old Testament - huh! that can really give troubles.:-) - That's
> also the reason that as many translations as possible can be necessary to be
> able to interpret fx. a new translation as correctly as possible by comparing
> the translations, so you can find the most useful and understandable
> translation for a specific word or expression...
Anyway, since this discussion began, I started playing with MacSword. It
is fantastic for this sort of thing.
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(Msg. 49) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:52 pm
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:16 pm
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Walter Bushell <proto.DeleteThis@xxx.com> wrote:
>In article <47b9c0dc$0$1996$ba624c82@nntp02.dk.telia.net>,
> Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM.DeleteThis@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:
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>> Howard Brazee wrote:
>> > What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible web
>> > sites?
>> >
>> > (Just curious)
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>> Lots of things - here are some reasons to have specific Bible software
>> - Studying
>> - cross reference search
>> - Comparison of various Bibles
>> - comparison of various translations from the origanl texts
>> - Reference search with notes and translitterations from orig.
>> greek/Hebrew texts
>> - Interliniar setup of modules and texts - verse by verse
>> - webbased Bible texts are not accepted at any theological schools or
>> universities
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>> etc.etc.......
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>> cheers, Erik richard
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>If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you?
Did the Old King James live in the times of Jesus? I am not an expert
in the British History, indeed.
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:16 pm
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:16:12 -0300, Juan I. Cahis
<jiclbchSINBASURA DeleteThis @attglobal.net> wrote:
>>If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you?
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>Did the Old King James live in the times of Jesus? I am not an expert
>in the British History, indeed.
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>
>Thanks
>Juan I. Cahis
>Santiago de Chile (South America)
>Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
Is there an effective translation of this joke for either the Roman
Catholic tradition or Spanish language in general? Some traditional
translation that sounds Right for traditionalists? The switch away
from Latin may be recent enough to confuse things here.
It's funny how natural it is for many people to assume God's language
includes Thee and Thou, as that was how English was spoken when the
King James Bible was translated.
It's funny how language changes. When Isaac Asimov's Foundation
Trilogy was re-released, he resisted the temptation to re-write it
better. But one thing he changed was the word "atomic" to "nuclear".
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(Msg. 52) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:13 pm
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Dear Howard & friends:
Howard Brazee <howard RemoveThis @brazee.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:16:12 -0300, Juan I. Cahis
><jiclbchSINBASURA RemoveThis @attglobal.net> wrote:
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>>>If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you?
>>
>>Did the Old King James live in the times of Jesus? I am not an expert
>>in the British History, indeed.
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>Juan I. Cahis
>>Santiago de Chile (South America)
>>Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
>
>Is there an effective translation of this joke for either the Roman
>Catholic tradition or Spanish language in general? Some traditional
>translation that sounds Right for traditionalists? The switch away
>from Latin may be recent enough to confuse things here.
>
>It's funny how natural it is for many people to assume God's language
>includes Thee and Thou, as that was how English was spoken when the
>King James Bible was translated.
>
>
>It's funny how language changes. When Isaac Asimov's Foundation
>Trilogy was re-released, he resisted the temptation to re-write it
>better. But one thing he changed was the word "atomic" to "nuclear".
>Our language had changed since he wrote it.
Dear Howard, thank you very much for your post.
Being a native Spanish speaking person, I am not familiar with the
language particularities of any English translation of the Bible. But
I was very curious how a Bible cultivated person, like our friend
above, could said that the "King James Version" (or "Translation") of
the Bible was preferred by Jesus himself. It seemed to me an
inconsistency.
But I agree with you, In Spanish, I prefer the Bibles that use a
language that it is "modern" (that means "understandable" for today's
readers), "serious" (that means not adapted, for "marketing" or
"pastoral" reasons, to jargons or similar that they were foreign to
the spirit of the original human writers), with a lot of "fidelity" (I
don't know if this is the correct word in English, but surely you
understand me) to the textual meaning of the original languages, and
"neutral" (without any artificial favoritism to the Dogmas of any
specific Christian denomination).
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
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(Msg. 55) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:16 pm
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Howard Brazee <howard.TakeThisOut@brazee.net> wrote:
> Lots of people seem to disagree. They Know that their interpretation
> of their version of the Bible is the right one.
That's why I'd be a member of The Church of the Blind Men and The
Elephant if there were one.
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Mike Rosenberg <mikePOST RemoveThis @TOGROUPmacconsult.com> wrote:
> Howard Brazee <howard RemoveThis @brazee.net> wrote:
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> > Lots of people seem to disagree. They Know that their interpretation
> > of their version of the Bible is the right one.
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> That's why I'd be a member of The Church of the Blind Men and The
> Elephant if there were one.
Not the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
<http://www.venganza.org/>
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(Msg. 57) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:30 pm
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Richard Maine <nospam.RemoveThis@see.signature> wrote:
> Not the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
> <http://www.venganza.org/>
Nah, too mainstream! ;-)
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(Msg. 58) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:51 pm
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Mike Rosenberg <mikePOST.TakeThisOut@TOGROUPmacconsult.com> wrote:
> Richard Maine <nospam.TakeThisOut@see.signature> wrote:
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> > Not the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
> > <http://www.venganza.org/>
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> Nah, too mainstream! ;-)
Well, on further reflection it's not that it's too mainstream, it's that
I'm too late to get in on the merchandising. I currently corner the
market on merchandise for The Church of the Blind Men and The
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(Msg. 59) Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:33 pm
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Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody RemoveThis @goldmark.org> wrote:
> > If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you?
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> Stop kidding around. We all know He spoke Latin.
Or Farsi or whatever the Persian language was called ca. 600 BCE:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen048.html
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Mike Rosenberg:
> > That's why I'd be a member of The Church of the Blind Men and The
> > Elephant if there were one.
Richard Maine:
> Not the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
> <http://www.venganza.org/>
Not for me, thanks. The problem is that the CFSM worldview is no more
compelling than that of other churches, which is to say, not compelling
at all.
OK, maybe the CFSM worldview is a _little_ _bit_ more credible than
that of most churches, but still not as compelling as that of my own
"church," which also has a web site.
<http://americanhumanist.org/index.html>
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