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(Msg. 61) Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:19 am
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Dear friends:
AV3 wrote:
>I am no theologian, but I seem to remember that the Roman Catholic
>church proclaimed the Latin translation of the Bible by St. Jerome to be
>the equal of the original texts.
Not officially, only by some catholic theologians from many Centuries
ago. Today, this position is totally discredited, see the "Dei Verbum"
document of the Vatican II Council.
Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
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(Msg. 62) Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:15 pm
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AV3 wrote, inter alia:
> In my youth a Revised Standard modern English translation of the Bible
> was published but rejected by many conservative Protestants, who
> attributed nearly holy rights to the King James translation, not unlike
> the Catholic reverence for the Vulgate of St. Jerome. So that may be the
> source of those jokes about Jesus Himself sanctioning the King James
> translation.
One problem with the RSV was that it did not contain the groveling
dedication "TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE, JAMES, BY THE GRACE OF
GOD, KING OF GREAT BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND IRELAND, DEFENDER OF THE FAITH,
ETC." and it omitted, in that same dedication, an appropriate slur on
the Church of Rome: "...if, on the one side, we shall be traduced by
Popish persons at home or abroad, who therefore will malign us, because
we are poor instruments to make God's hold truth to be yet more and
more known unto the people, whom they desire still to keep in ignorance
and darkness..."
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(Msg. 63) Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:41 pm
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Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
> Both TR and UBS have their truths..
What does truth have to do with religion?
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(Msg. 64) Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:40 pm
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(Msg. 65) Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:43 pm
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(Msg. 66) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:21 am
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(Msg. 67) Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:20 am
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:41:29 -0400, mikePOST.RemoveThis@TOGROUPmacconsult.com
(Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
>> Both TR and UBS have their truths..
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>What does truth have to do with religion?
The other guys' religions all are wrong. Even if his "religion" is
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(Msg. 68) Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:54 am
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> The other guys' religions all are wrong.
Unless you're a member of the Church of the Blind Men and the Elephant.
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(Msg. 69) Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:11 pm
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In article , AV3 wrote:
> In my youth a Revised Standard modern English translation of the Bible
> was published but rejected by many conservative Protestants, who
> attributed nearly holy rights to the King James translation, not unlike
> the Catholic reverence for the Vulgate of St. Jerome. So that may be the
> source of those jokes about Jesus Himself sanctioning the King James
> translation.
But, but, but He made a special revelation to the KJV translators.
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(Msg. 70) Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:15 pm
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In article ,
Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> Walter Bushell wrote:
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> >In article ,
> > Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
> >
> >> Howard Brazee wrote:
> >> > What would Bible software have that can't be easily done from Bible web
> >> > sites?
> >> >
> >> > (Just curious)
> >>
> >> Lots of things - here are some reasons to have specific Bible software
> >> - Studying
> >> - cross reference search
> >> - Comparison of various Bibles
> >> - comparison of various translations from the origanl texts
> >> - Reference search with notes and translitterations from orig.
> >> greek/Hebrew texts
> >> - Interliniar setup of modules and texts - verse by verse
> >> - webbased Bible texts are not accepted at any theological schools or
> >> universities
> >>
> >> etc.etc.......
> >>
> >> cheers, Erik richard
> >
> >If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you?
>
> Did the Old King James live in the times of Jesus? I am not an expert
> in the British History, indeed.
He dropped off on his way back from South America where he ministered to
the lost tribes.
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(Msg. 71) Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:15 pm
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In message > Walter wrote:
> He dropped off on his way back from South America where he ministered to
> the lost tribes.
I thought they were on Galactica with Adama?
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(Msg. 72) Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:18 pm
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In article ,
Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> Dear Howard & friends:
>
> Howard Brazee wrote:
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> >On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:16:12 -0300, Juan I. Cahis
> > wrote:
> >
> >>>If the KJV was good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you?
> >>
> >>Did the Old King James live in the times of Jesus? I am not an expert
> >>in the British History, indeed.
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>Juan I. Cahis
> >>Santiago de Chile (South America)
> >>Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
> >
> >Is there an effective translation of this joke for either the Roman
> >Catholic tradition or Spanish language in general? Some traditional
> >translation that sounds Right for traditionalists? The switch away
> >from Latin may be recent enough to confuse things here.
> >
> >It's funny how natural it is for many people to assume God's language
> >includes Thee and Thou, as that was how English was spoken when the
> >King James Bible was translated.
> >
> >
> >It's funny how language changes. When Isaac Asimov's Foundation
> >Trilogy was re-released, he resisted the temptation to re-write it
> >better. But one thing he changed was the word "atomic" to "nuclear".
> >Our language had changed since he wrote it.
>
> Dear Howard, thank you very much for your post.
>
> Being a native Spanish speaking person, I am not familiar with the
> language particularities of any English translation of the Bible. But
> I was very curious how a Bible cultivated person, like our friend
> above, could said that the "King James Version" (or "Translation") of
> the Bible was preferred by Jesus himself. It seemed to me an
> inconsistency.
>
> But I agree with you, In Spanish, I prefer the Bibles that use a
> language that it is "modern" (that means "understandable" for today's
> readers), "serious" (that means not adapted, for "marketing" or
> "pastoral" reasons, to jargons or similar that they were foreign to
> the spirit of the original human writers), with a lot of "fidelity" (I
> don't know if this is the correct word in English, but surely you
> understand me) to the textual meaning of the original languages, and
> "neutral" (without any artificial favoritism to the Dogmas of any
> specific Christian denomination).
>
>
> Thanks
> Juan I. Cahis
> Santiago de Chile (South America)
> Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
True, I say to you, it is almost impossible if not totally to not let
one's biases into a translation of the Bible in particular, because the
beliefs of your church penetrate so deeply.
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(Msg. 73) Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:24 pm
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In article ,
Lewis wrote:
> In message >
> Walter wrote:
> > He dropped off on his way back from South America where he ministered to
> > the lost tribes.
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> I thought they were on Galactica with Adama?
Who you ganna believe, Galactica or the serif archangel Marooni?
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(Msg. 74) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:39 am
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In message
Walter wrote:
> In article ,
> Lewis wrote:
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>> In message >
>> Walter wrote:
>> > He dropped off on his way back from South America where he ministered to
>> > the lost tribes.
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>> I thought they were on Galactica with Adama?
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> Who you ganna believe, Galactica or the serif archangel Marooni?
He was in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, right?
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