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Since: Sep 17, 2007
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:48 am
Post subject: Boot Camp Installation problem
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Greetings,
I am having a problem with Boot Camp v 1.4 that I am unable to
resolve. The background on this is I am using a new (<3 wk old) Mac
Pro with 2 internal SATA HD, one of which be the Mac OS X boot drive
the drive I install a Window partition. Ideally, the second drive (350
Gbytes), would be partitioned half for HSF+ and NTSF (since for some
reason there is 32G restriction on FAT32 for Boot Camp). Now, to
begin with, I was able to install Win XP Home SP2, using Boot Camp,
but then I bought VMware Fusion, and the partition got screwed it up
some how so it would not boot. So I reinstalled Fusion and XP. That
seems to be working fine.
Now I want a separate Boot Camp installation so I can run the
occasional OpenGL game.
I have tried multiple configurations to get this to work, but during
the installation process, when I choose a partition it says it is not
a Windows partition. So I have tried deleting and creating a partition
at that point in the XP installation, but it will not let me format in
NTFS, etc. Rarely, when I have formatted the target drive in FAT32,
it will give me the option to convert to NTFS, but after installation
I get a boot error. I have even tried making the target drive the
boot drive using Carbon Copy Cloner, pulling the other drive so there
is only one drive, and creating a Windows partition using Boot Camp on
that drive, but that obviously didn't work either.
Suggestion please.
Regards,
Patrick Ford
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:30 am
Post subject: Re: Boot Camp Installation problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sep 17, 10:57 am, Jolly Roger <wbyyleb....RemoveThis@cbobk.pbz> wrote:
> On 2007-09-17 10:48:35 -0500, "pfo...@bcm.tmc.edu" <pf....RemoveThis@bcm.tmc.edu> said:
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> > So I reinstalled Fusion and XP. That
> > seems to be working fine.
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> > Now I want a separate Boot Camp installation so I can run the
> > occasional OpenGL game.
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> Why not just boot into the Fusion partition?
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> JR
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:57 am
Post subject: Re: Boot Camp Installation problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2007-09-17 10:48:35 -0500, "pford-@bcm.tmc.edu" <pford RemoveThis @bcm.tmc.edu> said:
> So I reinstalled Fusion and XP. That
> seems to be working fine.
>
> Now I want a separate Boot Camp installation so I can run the
> occasional OpenGL game.
Why not just boot into the Fusion partition?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Boot Camp Installation problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2007-09-17 11:30:49 -0500, "pford-@bcm.tmc.edu" <pford.DeleteThis@bcm.tmc.edu> said:
> On Sep 17, 10:57 am, Jolly Roger <wbyyleb....DeleteThis@cbobk.pbz> wrote:
>> On 2007-09-17 10:48:35 -0500, "pfo...@bcm.tmc.edu" <pf....DeleteThis@bcm.tmc.edu> said:
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>>> So I reinstalled Fusion and XP. That
>>> seems to be working fine.
>>
>>> Now I want a separate Boot Camp installation so I can run the
>>> occasional OpenGL game.
>>
>> Why not just boot into the Fusion partition?
>
> Fusion does not do OpenGL.
I think I wasn't clear. Why don't you boot the Mac into that physical
partition, as opposed to using it in Fusion?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Boot Camp Installation problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sep 17, 4:20 pm, Jolly Roger <wbyyleb....TakeThisOut@cbobk.pbz> wrote:
> On 2007-09-17 11:30:49 -0500, "pfo...@bcm.tmc.edu" <pf....TakeThisOut@bcm.tmc.edu> said:
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> > On Sep 17, 10:57 am, Jolly Roger <wbyyleb....TakeThisOut@cbobk.pbz> wrote:
> >> On 2007-09-17 10:48:35 -0500, "pfo...@bcm.tmc.edu" <pf....TakeThisOut@bcm.tmc.edu> said:
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> >>> So I reinstalled Fusion and XP. That
> >>> seems to be working fine.
>
> >>> Now I want a separate Boot Camp installation so I can run the
> >>> occasional OpenGL game.
>
> >> Why not just boot into the Fusion partition?
>
> > Fusion does not do OpenGL.
>
> I think I wasn't clear. Why don't you boot the Mac into that physical
> partition, as opposed to using it in Fusion?
>
> --
> Apply rot13 to this e-mail address before using it.
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> JR
The Fusion "partition" is a file now, so it is a pseudo partition and
I cannot boot from it. (I may have not made it clear, but the original
NTFS partition that originally was Boot Camp became damaged some how
after I installed Fusion so I could not access it either from Boot
Camp restart or via Fusion. Besides, every time I switched between
Fusion and Boot Camp on that partition, it wanted me to reauthorize it
with Microsoft, which is impractical.) Most of the time I would like
to run Windows apps while still having access to the Mac side. The few
times I would like to play a game, such as those Battlefront.com that
use OpenGL, I cannot use Fusion because it does not support OpenGL at
this time. So the alternatives are also buying Parallels, which may or
may not work with the games, or have a separate distinct Boot Camp
partition to run XP only as a Windows computer. >> Stay informed about: Boot Camp Installation problem |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Boot Camp Installation problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2007-09-17 18:35:08 -0500, "pford-@bcm.tmc.edu" <pford.DeleteThis@bcm.tmc.edu> said:
> On Sep 17, 4:20 pm, Jolly Roger <wbyyleb....DeleteThis@cbobk.pbz> wrote:
>> On 2007-09-17 11:30:49 -0500, "pfo...@bcm.tmc.edu" <pf....DeleteThis@bcm.tmc.edu> said:
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>>> On Sep 17, 10:57 am, Jolly Roger <wbyyleb....DeleteThis@cbobk.pbz> wrote:
>>>> On 2007-09-17 10:48:35 -0500, "pfo...@bcm.tmc.edu" <pf....DeleteThis@bcm.tmc.edu> said:
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>>>>> So I reinstalled Fusion and XP. That
>>>>> seems to be working fine.
>>
>>>>> Now I want a separate Boot Camp installation so I can run the
>>>>> occasional OpenGL game.
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>>>> Why not just boot into the Fusion partition?
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>>> Fusion does not do OpenGL.
>>
>> I think I wasn't clear. Why don't you boot the Mac into that physical
>> partition, as opposed to using it in Fusion?
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> The Fusion "partition" is a file now, so it is a pseudo partition and
> I cannot boot from it.
Ah - that's the confusion. I wouldn't recommend calling it a
partition, because it's not a partition. ; )
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Boot Camp Installation problem [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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in my experience, boot camp only plays nice when there is one mac
partition and one windows partition on the drive. and the boot camp
installer *must* create that partition.
so, if i understand you correctly, you want to have two native
bootable windows partions on your mac pro, in addition to your VMware
virtual machine.
you must put one of those partitions on your primary hard disk and the
other partition on the second hard disk.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:36 pm
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On Sep 18, 2:36 pm, xeno... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> in my experience, boot camp only plays nice when there is one mac
> partition and one windows partition on the drive. and the boot camp
> installer *must* create that partition.
>
> so, if i understand you correctly, you want to have two native
> bootable windows partions on your mac pro, in addition to your VMware
> virtual machine.
>
> you must put one of those partitions on your primary hard disk and the
> other partition on the second hard disk.
>
> _
> x
Since I did not detail everything that I have tried, I can understand
your view. The VMware Fusion "partition" (note the quotes) is a pseudo-
partition, aka a file. That file can be copied and moved. One of the
things I tried was taking the drive that I want to have the Boot Camp
partition on and making it the Mac boot drive using CCC. I then
removed all the other drives internal and external, booted from that
single drive (without the Fusion file on it) and tried to install XP
using Boot Camp. If it had worked, I would not be ask, no, begging for
help.
To clarify, I would be happy with internal drive 1 Mac OS X, drive 2
NTFS, and the Fusion file somewhere. Ideally drive 1, Mac OS X, drive
2 with a HFS+ partition and a second NTFS partition. >> Stay informed about: Boot Camp Installation problem |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:53 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:17 am
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On Sep 18, 8:53 pm, Tom Stiller <tomstil....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <1190158560.003072.144....TakeThisOut@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
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> "pfo...@bcm.tmc.edu" <pf....TakeThisOut@bcm.tmc.edu> wrote:
> > On Sep 18, 2:36 pm, xeno....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> > > in my experience, boot camp only plays nice when there is one mac
> > > partition and one windows partition on the drive. and the boot camp
> > > installer *must* create that partition.
>
> > > so, if i understand you correctly, you want to have two native
> > > bootable windows partions on your mac pro, in addition to your VMware
> > > virtual machine.
>
> > > you must put one of those partitions on your primary hard disk and the
> > > other partition on the second hard disk.
>
> > > _
> > > x
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> > Since I did not detail everything that I have tried, I can understand
> > your view. The VMware Fusion "partition" (note the quotes) is a pseudo-
> > partition, aka a file. That file can be copied and moved. One of the
> > things I tried was taking the drive that I want to have the Boot Camp
> > partition on and making it the Mac boot drive using CCC. I then
> > removed all the other drives internal and external, booted from that
> > single drive (without the Fusion file on it) and tried to install XP
> > using Boot Camp. If it had worked, I would not be ask, no, begging for
> > help.
>
> > To clarify, I would be happy with internal drive 1 Mac OS X, drive 2
> > NTFS, and the Fusion file somewhere. Ideally drive 1, Mac OS X, drive
> > 2 with a HFS+ partition and a second NTFS partition.
>
> I don't yet have my Intel Mac and may be talking through my hat, but it
> appears that basic problem is installing the proper boot sequences on
> the drive. The basic Boot Camp installation contains a selection
> mechanism to allow one to choose Mac OS or Vista and configure the EFI
> the way the selected OS expects. If you put Vista on a separate drive,
> there is no way to tell the Mac hardware hot to bootstrap it.
>
> What happens if you use Boot Camp to make one drive with the largest
> NTFS partition possible, install Vista on that and make Vista the
> default startup system (if that's possible). Then make the other drive
> all Mac OS.
>
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> Tom Stiller
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> PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF
OK, I think I have solved it. Due to the late hour, I was unable to
verify if it functions with everything put back together. Although
none of the response directly helped, they were a great help in making
me rethink the process. Thanks.
I do not know if which part or even if what I did actually resolve the
problem, but as I said, it appears to be working. What I did was make
the target drive the Mac OS X boot drive and disconnected all the
other drives. What I did different this time was to eliminate all the
application that I have in the startup via the user preference. I had
a lot, like FAXstf, DiskWarrior, etc., so I don't know which one(s)
interfered. I also removed Citrix VPN. At this point I was able to
create a XP partition on the drive and install XP.
It wasn't quite that easy and I had to do it several times. One
problem during the installation was that I lost the mouse and keyboard
connection. I solved this by removing everything attached to the USB
bus except the keyboard and the mouse. Evidently something connected
to the USB caused the installation process to loose the connection. >> Stay informed about: Boot Camp Installation problem |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:15 am
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:53:53 -0400, Tom Stiller
<tomstiller.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>I don't yet have my Intel Mac and may be talking through my hat, but it
>appears that basic problem is installing the proper boot sequences on
>the drive. The basic Boot Camp installation contains a selection
>mechanism to allow one to choose Mac OS or Vista and configure the EFI
>the way the selected OS expects. If you put Vista on a separate drive,
>there is no way to tell the Mac hardware hot to bootstrap it.
>
>What happens if you use Boot Camp to make one drive with the largest
>NTFS partition possible, install Vista on that and make Vista the
>default startup system (if that's possible). Then make the other drive
>all Mac OS.
All versions of Windows that I have used (I haven't used Vista),
require a couple of files on C:. But nothing else needs to be on
C:. I have had computers with multiple Windows, OS/2 & data
partitions and a tiny C: drive.
Maybe you can come up with a solution by creating multiple partitions
that Windows can see, and then install Windows to D: on the second
drive. It will start booting to C: and then switch to the Windows
partition to finish booting. >> Stay informed about: Boot Camp Installation problem |
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