Compatibility Mode (Word 2008)

My take is a little different than Michel's:-)

Keeping in mind that there are a number of features available in 2008
(.docx) which can't be supported in the older formats the Compatibility Mode
notices is a reminder that if you use those features in the .doc it will
have to be saved in .docx to retain those changes. Otherwise those changes
will be converted to something supported by the prior format or will be
stripped out altogether. It depends on what features are used as to what the
net effect will be if you continue to save in the older format. The most
noticeable are any of the 2008 raphic effects which rely on the new Escher
graphics engine.
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Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

"spem54" wrote in message

> Could someone please explain me what Compatibility Mode is? Everytime
> I open an old doc file I get this label on the title of the document.
> THX
 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008) 

The native file format used by Word 2008 is .docx, and any .doc file is
displayed in a compatibility mode since it is *not* in the native file
format. Don't worry about that, though; the old .doc will keep working just
as well in Word 2008. The "Compatibility Mode" message is just an optical
nuisance and not a warning message of any kind.


On 18/01/08 17:36, in article
562497a0-23f5-490d-b407-bf9412dc9df4.DeleteThis@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "spem54"
wrote:

> Could someone please explain me what Compatibility Mode is? Everytime
> I open an old doc file I get this label on the title of the document.
> THX

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 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008) 

On 18/01/08 18:41, in article #0XPIlfWIHA.4868@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl,
"CyberTaz" <typegeneraltaz1ATcomcastdotnet> wrote:

> My take is a little different than Michel's:-)
>
> Keeping in mind that there are a number of features available in 2008
> (.docx) which can't be supported in the older formats the Compatibility Mode
> notices is a reminder that if you use those features in the .doc it will
> have to be saved in .docx to retain those changes. Otherwise those changes
> will be converted to something supported by the prior format or will be
> stripped out altogether. It depends on what features are used as to what the
> net effect will be if you continue to save in the older format. The most
> noticeable are any of the 2008 raphic effects which rely on the new Escher
> graphics engine.

Hi Bob,

I don't seem to be able to use any of the new features which make use of
Escher 2.0 when I'm in Compatibility Mode. I can't insert any charts, nor
can I insert SmartArt graphics, and if I insert a picture, I can only apply
the same basic formatting that is also available in Word 2004. In that
sense, the "Compatibility Mode" message only states the obvious, since none
of these new features are actually available in that mode, and I can find
that out the moment I try to use them. In my opinion, a better solution
would be to run a "Compatibility Mode" message across the Elements Gallery
when the user is trying to access these features in a traditional .doc
document.

--
Michel Bintener
Microsoft MVP
Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)

*** Please always reply to the newsgroup. ***
 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008) 

"Michel Bintener" wrote in message

> On 18/01/08 18:41, in article #0XPIlfWIHA.4868@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl,
> "CyberTaz" <typegeneraltaz1ATcomcastdotnet> wrote:
>
>> My take is a little different than Michel's:-)
>>
>> Keeping in mind that there are a number of features available in 2008
>> (.docx) which can't be supported in the older formats the Compatibility
>> Mode
>> notices is a reminder that if you use those features in the .doc it will
>> have to be saved in .docx to retain those changes. Otherwise those
>> changes
>> will be converted to something supported by the prior format or will be
>> stripped out altogether. It depends on what features are used as to what
>> the
>> net effect will be if you continue to save in the older format. The most
>> noticeable are any of the 2008 raphic effects which rely on the new
>> Escher
>> graphics engine.
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> I don't seem to be able to use any of the new features which make use of
> Escher 2.0 when I'm in Compatibility Mode. I can't insert any charts, nor
> can I insert SmartArt graphics, and if I insert a picture, I can only
> apply
> the same basic formatting that is also available in Word 2004. In that
> sense, the "Compatibility Mode" message only states the obvious, since
> none
> of these new features are actually available in that mode, and I can find
> that out the moment I try to use them. In my opinion, a better solution
> would be to run a "Compatibility Mode" message across the Elements Gallery
> when the user is trying to access these features in a traditional .doc
> document.
>
> --
> Michel Bintener
> Microsoft MVP
> Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)
>
> *** Please always reply to the newsgroup. ***
>

Hi Michel -

Yeah.... I may not have phrased that the way I meant it:-} Your description
is a bit more accurrate - I intended to more clearly say that certain
feaures can't be used unless you save as a docx. Bad wording on my part. It
appears that I was heading in the direction of what happens if you start off
in docx & save in97/2003 - not a very smooth segue, huh?!!:-)

I think the rationalle behind the reminder is that many people may not even
know whether they've opened a doc or docx & if the features aren't available
it may give the impression that there is a more serious problem than just
file format compatibility.... not that "Compatibility Mode" makes it all
that clear, but at least it's one more 'visual indicator' of the
circumstances.
 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008) 

Thank you very much on your replies. Because not many have the new
Word, I would stick to open and save .doc files. This seems to be
safe, for now. So I will see for a long period the name of the file
with the Compatibility mode attached. Fine. How would I transform
this .doc file in a .docx file [no Compatibility mode attached] while
keeping a backup of it?
Have a nice day. THX

On Jan 18, 10:23 pm, "CyberTaz" <typegeneraltaz1ATcomcastdotnet>
wrote:
> "Michel Bintener" wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 18/01/08 18:41, in article #0XPIlfWIHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl,
> > "CyberTaz" <typegeneraltaz1ATcomcastdotnet> wrote:
>
> >> My take is a little different than Michel's:-)
>
> >> Keeping in mind that there are a number of features available in 2008
> >> (.docx) which can't be supported in the older formats the Compatibility
> >> Mode
> >> notices is a reminder that if you use those features in the .doc it will
> >> have to be saved in .docx to retain those changes. Otherwise those
> >> changes
> >> will be converted to something supported by the prior format or will be
> >> stripped out altogether. It depends on what features are used as to what
> >> the
> >> net effect will be if you continue to save in the older format. The most
> >> noticeable are any of the 2008 raphic effects which rely on the new
> >> Escher
> >> graphics engine.
>
> > Hi Bob,
>
> > I don't seem to be able to use any of the new features which make use of
> > Escher 2.0 when I'm in Compatibility Mode. I can't insert any charts, nor
> > can I insert SmartArt graphics, and if I insert a picture, I can only
> > apply
> > the same basic formatting that is also available in Word 2004. In that
> > sense, the "Compatibility Mode" message only states the obvious, since
> > none
> > of these new features are actually available in that mode, and I can find
> > that out the moment I try to use them. In my opinion, a better solution
> > would be to run a "Compatibility Mode" message across the Elements Gallery
> > when the user is trying to access these features in a traditional .doc
> > document.
>
> > --
> > Michel Bintener
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)
>
> > *** Please always reply to the newsgroup. ***
>
> Hi Michel -
>
> Yeah.... I may not have phrased that the way I meant it:-} Your description
> is a bit more accurrate - I intended to more clearly say that certain
> feaures can't be used unless you save as a docx. Bad wording on my part. It
> appears that I was heading in the direction of what happens if you start off
> in docx & save in97/2003 - not a very smooth segue, huh?!!:-)
>
> I think the rationalle behind the reminder is that many people may not even
> know whether they've opened a doc or docx & if the features aren't available
> it may give the impression that there is a more serious problem than just
> file format compatibility.... not that "Compatibility Mode" makes it all
> that clear, but at least it's one more 'visual indicator' of the
> circumstances.
 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008) 

Simply click on File>Save As and choose the new file format from the
dropdown list. That way, you will end up with two documents, though, and you
will have to remember to perform another "save as" to resave it in the old
document format when you want to pass it on to other users.


On 19/01/08 10:20, in article
b2826995-d214-47e8-90fe-912dc6499130.RemoveThis@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "spem54"
wrote:

> Thank you very much on your replies. Because not many have the new
> Word, I would stick to open and save .doc files. This seems to be
> safe, for now. So I will see for a long period the name of the file
> with the Compatibility mode attached. Fine. How would I transform
> this .doc file in a .docx file [no Compatibility mode attached] while
> keeping a backup of it?
> Have a nice day. THX
>
> On Jan 18, 10:23 pm, "CyberTaz" <typegeneraltaz1ATcomcastdotnet>
> wrote:
>> "Michel Bintener" wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 18/01/08 18:41, in article #0XPIlfWIHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl,
>>> "CyberTaz" <typegeneraltaz1ATcomcastdotnet> wrote:
>>
>>>> My take is a little different than Michel's:-)
>>
>>>> Keeping in mind that there are a number of features available in 2008
>>>> (.docx) which can't be supported in the older formats the Compatibility
>>>> Mode
>>>> notices is a reminder that if you use those features in the .doc it will
>>>> have to be saved in .docx to retain those changes. Otherwise those
>>>> changes
>>>> will be converted to something supported by the prior format or will be
>>>> stripped out altogether. It depends on what features are used as to what
>>>> the
>>>> net effect will be if you continue to save in the older format. The most
>>>> noticeable are any of the 2008 raphic effects which rely on the new
>>>> Escher
>>>> graphics engine.
>>
>>> Hi Bob,
>>
>>> I don't seem to be able to use any of the new features which make use of
>>> Escher 2.0 when I'm in Compatibility Mode. I can't insert any charts, nor
>>> can I insert SmartArt graphics, and if I insert a picture, I can only
>>> apply
>>> the same basic formatting that is also available in Word 2004. In that
>>> sense, the "Compatibility Mode" message only states the obvious, since
>>> none
>>> of these new features are actually available in that mode, and I can find
>>> that out the moment I try to use them. In my opinion, a better solution
>>> would be to run a "Compatibility Mode" message across the Elements Gallery
>>> when the user is trying to access these features in a traditional .doc
>>> document.
>>
>>> --
>>> Michel Bintener
>>> Microsoft MVP
>>> Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)
>>
>>> *** Please always reply to the newsgroup. ***
>>
>> Hi Michel -
>>
>> Yeah.... I may not have phrased that the way I meant it:-} Your description
>> is a bit more accurrate - I intended to more clearly say that certain
>> feaures can't be used unless you save as a docx. Bad wording on my part. It
>> appears that I was heading in the direction of what happens if you start off
>> in docx & save in97/2003 - not a very smooth segue, huh?!!:-)
>>
>> I think the rationalle behind the reminder is that many people may not even
>> know whether they've opened a doc or docx & if the features aren't available
>> it may give the impression that there is a more serious problem than just
>> file format compatibility.... not that "Compatibility Mode" makes it all
>> that clear, but at least it's one more 'visual indicator' of the
>> circumstances.
>

--
Michel Bintener
Microsoft MVP
Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)

*** Please always reply to the newsgroup. ***
 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008) 

Actually, I would strongly suggest that you do it the other way round.
Convert immediately to the new .docx format for everything you touch.

The new format is very very much more robust than the old one. It is also
about a quarter the size on disk.

You can safely send the new format to ANYONE. If they do not have the
converter for it, they can quickly get it, and it's free. On the PC, their
copy of Office will go out and get it automatically (and on the Mac too, if
they have enabled Office AutoUpdate).

Go up to the new format now, and stay there. Your documents will be much
more reliable, and anyone else can get the converter if they do not have the
latest version of Office.

Cheers


On 19/01/08 7:20 PM, in article
b2826995-d214-47e8-90fe-912dc6499130 DeleteThis @q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "spem54"
wrote:

> Thank you very much on your replies. Because not many have the new
> Word, I would stick to open and save .doc files. This seems to be
> safe, for now. So I will see for a long period the name of the file
> with the Compatibility mode attached. Fine. How would I transform
> this .doc file in a .docx file [no Compatibility mode attached] while
> keeping a backup of it?
> Have a nice day. THX
>
> On Jan 18, 10:23 pm, "CyberTaz" <typegeneraltaz1ATcomcastdotnet>
> wrote:
>> "Michel Bintener" wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 18/01/08 18:41, in article #0XPIlfWIHA.4...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl,
>>> "CyberTaz" <typegeneraltaz1ATcomcastdotnet> wrote:
>>
>>>> My take is a little different than Michel's:-)
>>
>>>> Keeping in mind that there are a number of features available in 2008
>>>> (.docx) which can't be supported in the older formats the Compatibility
>>>> Mode
>>>> notices is a reminder that if you use those features in the .doc it will
>>>> have to be saved in .docx to retain those changes. Otherwise those
>>>> changes
>>>> will be converted to something supported by the prior format or will be
>>>> stripped out altogether. It depends on what features are used as to what
>>>> the
>>>> net effect will be if you continue to save in the older format. The most
>>>> noticeable are any of the 2008 raphic effects which rely on the new
>>>> Escher
>>>> graphics engine.
>>
>>> Hi Bob,
>>
>>> I don't seem to be able to use any of the new features which make use of
>>> Escher 2.0 when I'm in Compatibility Mode. I can't insert any charts, nor
>>> can I insert SmartArt graphics, and if I insert a picture, I can only
>>> apply
>>> the same basic formatting that is also available in Word 2004. In that
>>> sense, the "Compatibility Mode" message only states the obvious, since
>>> none
>>> of these new features are actually available in that mode, and I can find
>>> that out the moment I try to use them. In my opinion, a better solution
>>> would be to run a "Compatibility Mode" message across the Elements Gallery
>>> when the user is trying to access these features in a traditional .doc
>>> document.
>>
>>> --
>>> Michel Bintener
>>> Microsoft MVP
>>> Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)
>>
>>> *** Please always reply to the newsgroup. ***
>>
>> Hi Michel -
>>
>> Yeah.... I may not have phrased that the way I meant it:-} Your description
>> is a bit more accurrate - I intended to more clearly say that certain
>> feaures can't be used unless you save as a docx. Bad wording on my part. It
>> appears that I was heading in the direction of what happens if you start off
>> in docx & save in97/2003 - not a very smooth segue, huh?!!:-)
>>
>> I think the rationalle behind the reminder is that many people may not even
>> know whether they've opened a doc or docx & if the features aren't available
>> it may give the impression that there is a more serious problem than just
>> file format compatibility.... not that "Compatibility Mode" makes it all
>> that clear, but at least it's one more 'visual indicator' of the
>> circumstances.
>

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 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008) 

Yes, go to Preferences>Compatibility and change the options for that
document to "Word 2007, 2008 Recommended".

It is complaining that you are formatting the document for Word 6 on the
PC, which is an Old Windows/DOS product that is long dead. You will get
much nicer typography if you allow that document to come forward a few years
:-)

Note: This may be because the document is actually IN the old Word 6
format. Just check to see which format you are saving it in...

Word 6/95 and Word 97/2004 both had the .doc extension, but internally one
is eight-bit ANSI, the other is 16-bit Unicode.

Hope this helps


On 23/01/08 3:48 PM, in article ee89208.9 DeleteThis @webcrossing.caR9absDaxw,
"jamesdouglasallen@officeformac.com"
wrote:

> When ever I "Save As"
>
> It says there is 1 compatibility issue.
>
> I run the compatibility Report and it says: Word 95/6.0 compatibility options
> are set.
>
> It keeps saying this. Over and over. Even though in the Compatibility
> preferences, Microsoft Word 2000-2004 and X is showing for "Recommended
> options for:"

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 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008) 

What is the point of my upgrade to Office for Mac 2008, if I have to use Word in compatibility mode for any work I do from home, that will be 'compatible' with my work PC (Office 2003)? Running Word in this mode on my Intel Mac Pro, seems buggy & slow, no different to my previous XP version!
 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008) 

Hi Maggi -

There's no more reason to be upset than if you were still using a Windows
system & "upgraded" to Office 2007 - it has nothing to do with Mac Office
2008, the net result would be the same. Even so there may be a bit of a
misunderstanding. If your system at work has been appropriately updated,
Office 2003 programs are equipped with converters that allow them to open &
revise documents saved by 2007/2008 in the OOXML file format. The important
point is that the latest versions of Office (PC & Mac) include features that
are not supported in the earlier versions of the software... Hence the
[Compatibility Mode] when working in a file saved in the 97-2004 format. All
that means is that you are prevented from using certain features (primarily
graphics tools) that can't be effectively dealt with when the document is
reopened by one of the prior versions. But if the documents, themselves,
need to be "at home" primarily in a 97-2004 envirnment there's no point to
using those features or saving the files in the OOXML format.

Your second issue - performance - really has nothing to do with
Compatibility Mode. That, unfortunately, is a very real problem in itself
which MacBU is working very hard to improve upon. Make sure you have the
12.0.1 update applied which should alleviate the slowness somewhat. Better
performance (speed) should be forthcoming with the Service Pack that's now
being tested, and many of the "bugs" should be fixed as well.

If you have any specific concerns that you percieve as "bugs" please don't
hesitate to post back individually with descriptive detail on each one -
perhaps someone can offer an explanation, correction, or workaround.
--
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Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



"Maggi Fuller" wrote in message

> What is the point of my upgrade to Office for Mac 2008, if I have to use
> Word in compatibility mode for any work I do from home, that will be
> 'compatible' with my work PC (Office 2003)? Running Word in this mode on
> my Intel Mac Pro, seems buggy & slow, no different to my previous XP
> version!
 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008) 

> ...........Your second issue - performance - really has nothing to do with
> Compatibility Mode. That, unfortunately, is a very real problem in itself
> which MacBU is working very hard to improve upon. Make sure you have the
> 12.0.1 update applied which should alleviate the slowness somewhat. Better
> performance (speed) should be forthcoming with the Service Pack that's now
> being tested, and many of the "bugs" should be fixed as well.
>
> If you have any specific concerns that you percieve as "bugs" please don't
> hesitate to post back individually with descriptive detail on each one -
> perhaps someone can offer an explanation, correction, or workaround.
> --
> Regards |:>)
> Bob Jones
> [MVP] Office:Mac
>

Thanks Bob,

Re the performance issue, Update 12.0.1? Are we still talking about Office 2008 here?

I am sure I have all the latest auto updates available to date, both for Office 2008, Leopard, Adobe etc etc!

It could be the type of files I am working with at present, that have heaps & heaps of text boxes & objects.

The reason I wondered about compatibility mode was because of all the Adobe CS2/3 & Rosetta issues.

Thanks again.

Maggi
 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008) 

Hello again -

"Maggi Fuller" wrote in message

> Thanks Bob,
>
> Re the performance issue, Update 12.0.1? Are we still talking about Office
> 2008 here?

Yes, Office 2008 is version 12.0 & there was a minor update released back in
March - v12.0.1 - and there is a major update (Service Pack 1) which is in
the process of being tested now but hasn't been released.

>
> I am sure I have all the latest auto updates available to date, both for
> Office 2008, Leopard, Adobe etc etc!

Perhaps you have - I just mentioned it in case you had missed it., but you
also need the update to AutoUpdate in order for it to install. If you have
any doubt go to the Mactopia site & d/l from there:

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.mspx

>
> It could be the type of files I am working with at present, that have
> heaps & heaps of text boxes & objects.

Quite possibly:-) Those are nice features, but each one is a "foreign body"
in a Word document & if you overdo it the file will bog down & eventually
may corrupt.

>
> The reason I wondered about compatibility mode was because of all the
> Adobe CS2/3 & Rosetta issues.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Maggi
--
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 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008) 

Thanks again Bob. I just checked and I am running v 12.0.1.

Maggi
 >> Stay informed about: Compatibility Mode (Word 2008)