Detect iPod after Hard Eject

In article <2008011412270516807-nospam@nospamcom>,
rezwits <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:

> On 2008-01-13 12:24:22 -0800, Heli <haiheli.pip RemoveThis @xs4all.nl> said:
>
> > In article
> > <jollyroger-FA9F8A.14080613012008 RemoveThis @earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger RemoveThis @pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <130120081032273050%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>,
> >> Dave Balderstone <dave RemoveThis @N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article
> >>> <jollyroger-9459C7.00180113012008 RemoveThis @70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net>,
> >>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger RemoveThis @pobox.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <1iamf6j.1f2ohcrii1indN%burt@mindstorm-inc.com>,
> >>>> burt RemoveThis @mindstorm-inc.com (Burt Johnson) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> livetohike <moormansd RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> There has got to be a way for iTunes to "find" your iPod after you
> >>>>>> eject it (via iTunes) w/o having to disconnect/reconnect it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There just has to be.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Uhhh... unplug it. Wait about 2 seconds. Plug it in.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> when the solution is so easy, why invent a harder way?
> >>>>
> >>>> Did you actually read his question? He would like to do it *without*
> >>>> unplugging and plugging it back in.
> >>>
> >>> He didn't post a question. He posted assertions.
> >>
> >> Semantics.
> >
> > Relaunch the finder?
>
> Can you goto Disk Utility and click Mount?

No, because it no longer shows up there after you unmount it.

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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:30:55 -0800 (PST), livetohike
<moormansd DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>There has got to be a way for iTunes to "find" your iPod after you
>eject it (via iTunes) w/o having to disconnect/reconnect it.
>
>There just has to be.
>
>Thanks

If I'm not mistaken, stopping and restarting iTunes finds it again. If
so, then the ability to use software to find it is an option.
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On Jan 15, 12:09 pm, Howard Brazee <how... DeleteThis @brazee.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:30:55 -0800 (PST),livetohike
>
> <moorma... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >There has got to be a way for iTunes to "find" your iPod after you
> >eject it (via iTunes) w/o having to disconnect/reconnect it.
>
> >There just has to be.
>
> >Thanks
>
> If I'm not mistaken, stopping and restarting iTunes finds it again. If
> so, then the ability to use software to find it is an option.

Never would have though my question would generate so much
discussion. Thanks to those that took the question seriously. I
think we all strive to keep our posts short while still providing
enough details to help responders. With that in mind, I did not feel
it added any value to explain why I want/need to do this.

But here goes: I have physical limitations that makes handling the
little connector difficult. Also, which each unplug/plug there is the
risk of damaging the connector pins.

I am constantly fiddling/testing/learning iTunes and then want to
check the results on the iPod, thus the need to eject. With the cable
still connected I test/check my changes and then want to QUICKLY and
easily get iTunes to 'see' the iPod again.

Physically manipulating the connector seems rather archaic contrasted
w/ the incredible technology inside the iPod and on our desktops.
Apparently the USB protocol needs a 'hardware interrupt' or the
equivalent for the PC to see a 'new' device.

So I wanted QUICK and EASY. Solutions like rebooting iPod or iTunes
are slow. For me, manually disconnecting is not easy.

I suspect there is some S/W out there that forces the OS to look for
USB devices, so I will try that route. In the meantime I have noticed
that you don't have to unplug the iPod completely and you don't have
to wait 2 sec. I just pinch and 'jiggle' a little to hear that sweet
little 'ding' sound that tells me iTunes has found the iPod.

Thanks
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livetohike wrote:
> On Jan 15, 12:09 pm, Howard Brazee <how....TakeThisOut@brazee.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:30:55 -0800 (PST),livetohike
>>
>> <moorma....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There has got to be a way for iTunes to "find" your iPod after you
>>> eject it (via iTunes) w/o having to disconnect/reconnect it.
>>> There just has to be.
>>> Thanks
>> If I'm not mistaken, stopping and restarting iTunes finds it again. If
>> so, then the ability to use software to find it is an option.
>
> Never would have though my question would generate so much
> discussion. Thanks to those that took the question seriously. I
> think we all strive to keep our posts short while still providing
> enough details to help responders. With that in mind, I did not feel
> it added any value to explain why I want/need to do this.
>
> But here goes: I have physical limitations that makes handling the
> little connector difficult. Also, which each unplug/plug there is the
> risk of damaging the connector pins.
>
> I am constantly fiddling/testing/learning iTunes and then want to
> check the results on the iPod, thus the need to eject. With the cable
> still connected I test/check my changes and then want to QUICKLY and
> easily get iTunes to 'see' the iPod again.
>
> Physically manipulating the connector seems rather archaic contrasted
> w/ the incredible technology inside the iPod and on our desktops.
> Apparently the USB protocol needs a 'hardware interrupt' or the
> equivalent for the PC to see a 'new' device.
>
> So I wanted QUICK and EASY. Solutions like rebooting iPod or iTunes
> are slow. For me, manually disconnecting is not easy.
>

Now you're asking for way too much. Closing iTunes and restarting it is
faster than any of the ideas you're coming up with. It's quick and
easy. You're being absurd now. Physical limitations are one thing but
if you're complaining about clicking twice to solve your problem than
you're just trolling.

Oh, and relaunching Finder doesn't do anything. Quitting and restarting
iTunes does the job, though.

Greg
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In article <13ott5e321s851a.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
"G.T." <getnews1.RemoveThis@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> Now you're asking for way too much. Closing iTunes and restarting it is
> faster than any of the ideas you're coming up with. It's quick and
> easy. You're being absurd now. Physical limitations are one thing but
> if you're complaining about clicking twice to solve your problem than
> you're just trolling.
>
> Oh, and relaunching Finder doesn't do anything. Quitting and restarting
> iTunes does the job, though.

I disagree. If iTunes can rescan the USB bus, then it's perfectly
reasonable to think it may be possible to write a simple piece of
software that would do the same thing without the overhead of launching
iTunes. Such a piece of software would probably launch much faster than
iTunes, so I can see this being desirable for someone with physical
limitations such as his.

To the OP:

You might consider posting a question to comp.sys.mac.programmer.help
asking the software developers there for their opinions about whether
something like this can be done easily. Who knows - maybe you'll be able
to convince someone to take a moment and write such an application, just
out of curiosity! ; )

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:16:52 -0800 (PST), livetohike
<moormansd.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>But here goes: I have physical limitations that makes handling the
>little connector difficult. Also, which each unplug/plug there is the
>risk of damaging the connector pins.

One thing that can help here is to have a docking station. I have
one from Belkin that is a powered USB hub (useful in itself), with a
place to easily place my iPod (using only one hand).
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Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article <13ott5e321s851a.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
> "G.T." <getnews1.RemoveThis@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>> Now you're asking for way too much. Closing iTunes and restarting it is
>> faster than any of the ideas you're coming up with. It's quick and
>> easy. You're being absurd now. Physical limitations are one thing but
>> if you're complaining about clicking twice to solve your problem than
>> you're just trolling.
>>
>> Oh, and relaunching Finder doesn't do anything. Quitting and restarting
>> iTunes does the job, though.
>
> I disagree. If iTunes can rescan the USB bus, then it's perfectly
> reasonable to think it may be possible to write a simple piece of
> software that would do the same thing without the overhead of launching
> iTunes. Such a piece of software would probably launch much faster than
> iTunes, so I can see this being desirable for someone with physical
> limitations such as his.
>

So he can avoid a few seconds while waiting for iTunes to restart? His
physical limitations prevent him from waiting for iTunes to restart?
Yeah, right.

Greg
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In article <13ov47uavg38be3.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
"G.T." <getnews1.RemoveThis@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> Jolly Roger wrote:
> > In article <13ott5e321s851a.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
> > "G.T." <getnews1.RemoveThis@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Now you're asking for way too much. Closing iTunes and restarting it is
> >> faster than any of the ideas you're coming up with. It's quick and
> >> easy. You're being absurd now. Physical limitations are one thing but
> >> if you're complaining about clicking twice to solve your problem than
> >> you're just trolling.
> >>
> >> Oh, and relaunching Finder doesn't do anything. Quitting and restarting
> >> iTunes does the job, though.
> >
> > I disagree. If iTunes can rescan the USB bus, then it's perfectly
> > reasonable to think it may be possible to write a simple piece of
> > software that would do the same thing without the overhead of launching
> > iTunes. Such a piece of software would probably launch much faster than
> > iTunes, so I can see this being desirable for someone with physical
> > limitations such as his.
>
> So he can avoid a few seconds while waiting for iTunes to restart? His
> physical limitations prevent him from waiting for iTunes to restart?

You're suggesting anyone who wishes to save a couple seconds numerous
times a day is being unreasonable?

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AV3 <arvimide.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> No, wrong. It doesn't matter whether his request derives from physical
> or mental problems or even from a wild imagination. What matters is
> whether anyone can supply the information he requests.

Well, obviously *you* can't.

But thanks for explaining to us what matters.
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In article <478fd5c5$0$90263$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
AV3 <arvimide RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

> What matters is
> whether anyone can supply the information he requests.

I'm betting someone in comp.sys.mac.programmer.help can. I probably
could, but I don't have the time to dig into it right now.

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AV3 <arvimide RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

> You're welcome. I am still using a second generation iPod, waiting for
> an iPhone suited to my exacting specifications. I wish I knew what the
> OP wanted, so I am only concerned that posters here felt entitled to ask
> him why he wanted what he said he wanted before helping him. He had a
> valid reason, and it involved talking about his physical condition,
> which is no one's business here and may have been painful for him to
> discuss in a forum of strangers. Those capable of answering his
> questions should have done so without invading his privacy. I think
> there should be a presumption of a good faith question until a
> questioner proves to be exceptionally obtuse.

Well, I personally limit myself to no more than one posting in ten in
the Mac Usenet groups which tells someone else how they should or
shouldn't post.

What's your ratio?

I missed the beginning of the thread, but if the iPod is set up to be
a mountable drive, then "Mount Me X" would probably remount it. First
link I've found is:

<http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Developer-Tools/Mount-Me-X.shtml>

But I don't know what sort of iPod the OP has, nor how it is
configured. So I don't know if it will actually work.

Besides, even using Mount Me X will require at least two clicks - one to
start it and a second click (or CR) to OK the selection. If quitting
plus restarting iTunes is too much of a burden, I don't know that this
would be an improvement.

If someone is so physically constrained that one cannot easily do a
itunes quit and restart, then their exact condition _is_ relevant -
can they use the mouse at all, do they use voice control, can they use
the keyboard?

Or it just a matter of "I just don't _want_ to do two clicks, and I don't
want to wait"?

I've seen this drill many times before - a problem is raised, multiple
people offer solutions, and each solution is rejected due to the fact
that it fails to meet "requirements" that were never stated up front.
A huge waste of effort and good will in a free support forum.

And inevitably, someone will come along and tell us how we weren't
sufficiently solicitous and were a bunch of Unix jerks and this is
why the Mac has such low market share and blah-blah-blah.

Someone like Mark Conrad. Or you.

It would be trivial to write an Applescript that quits iTunes and the
restarts it - that would get the physical requirement down to a single
click. Would that help? Or would it be a waste of time?

So why don't *you* play the game of 20 questions with the OP. When you
have established a well-defined set of requirements, those of us with
the technical skills to implement them might be willing to help.
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livetohike wrote:

<<stuff deleted>>
> I suspect there is some S/W out there that forces the OS to look for
> USB devices, so I will try that route. In the meantime I have noticed
> that you don't have to unplug the iPod completely and you don't have
> to wait 2 sec. I just pinch and 'jiggle' a little to hear that sweet
> little 'ding' sound that tells me iTunes has found the iPod.


I don't have one of my kid's iPods here at the moment to try
this, but doesn't Disk Utility show the presence of mountable
items that are unmounted? You can select the item you want and
then select mount. By this method you can remount hard drives
that have been "ejected". I wonder if it's possible to do the
same with a USB device like the iPod...

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In article <13p2ckumcllv62 RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>,
Jeff Wiseman <throwawayacct225 RemoveThis @ALLTHESPAMearthlink.net> wrote:

> livetohike wrote:
>
> <<stuff deleted>>
> > I suspect there is some S/W out there that forces the OS to look for
> > USB devices, so I will try that route. In the meantime I have noticed
> > that you don't have to unplug the iPod completely and you don't have
> > to wait 2 sec. I just pinch and 'jiggle' a little to hear that sweet
> > little 'ding' sound that tells me iTunes has found the iPod.
>
>
> I don't have one of my kid's iPods here at the moment to try
> this, but doesn't Disk Utility show the presence of mountable
> items that are unmounted? You can select the item you want and
> then select mount. By this method you can remount hard drives
> that have been "ejected". I wonder if it's possible to do the
> same with a USB device like the iPod...

It depends on how the volume is unmounted. If you select the _device_
and unmount it, it is removed from Disk Utility's list of available
devices. Dismounting an iPod from within iTunes seems to have he same
effect.

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