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In article <47b8377d$0$1991$ba624c82@nntp02.dk.telia.net>,
Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM.TakeThisOut@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:

> Lewis wrote:
> > Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM.TakeThisOut@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:
> >> We have seen so many HDs that
> >> were so fragmented that these disks not even were able to boot. We had
> >> to run defragmenting tools stepways to make so much feee space that we
> >> would be able to make the system boot.
> >
> > Er... no. Sorry, that fails the smell test. Not sure what you're
> > selling here, but I am certainly not buying. Needing to defrag to boot
> > a disk? Bollocks.
>
> If you should be so unlucky that a fragment of a file is placed directly
> upon some of the bootsectors, you might experience no booting, and you
> might not experience it. - BUT - if such a fragment belongs to an
> anchored file, booting will be impossible. - A defragging app might be
> able to move the anchored fragment that much that is doens't cover te
> boot sectors, so a boot again is possible again. You might even be so
> lucky, - if you have either Speedtools or iDefrag - that the anchored
> file is joined again in it's right place, so no further things have to
> be done...
>
It would seem to me that if it a file fragment were to be placed
directly upon some of the boot sectors, the filesystem is already
screwed up. Sectors, boot or not, are either free or allocated. If a
sector has a designated purpose, it should be allocated and nothing
other than it's intended content should ever be placed upon it.

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Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM DeleteThis @NOSPAM.dk> wrote:

> Funny that in the various Mac groups around the usenet, there always are
> a few stubborn people like you who won't admit that others might be more
> knowing than you are. If such people were more willing to admit and
> learn from other's experiences, you wouldn't get such comments like mine
> and some other's comments.

You're right, when someone like you says something I and others have
seen many times is impossible, I should accept that you know more than
us and that what we have seen repeatedly has not, in fact, actually
happened.

You once said that it's impossible to install and run System 7.5 on Macs
with 2 MB of RAM. Despite reading that several of us had done just
that, you insisted that your failure was the absolute rule. I guess I
should accept that I was able to do it simply because I didn't know it
couldn't work.

You once said that a whole range of Mac models, including most of the
x5xx and x6xx Power Macs, cannot boot up with a dead PRAM battery. I
guess I was hallucinating all the times I've seen such Macs boot up, but
with the clock and AppleTalk set to defaults.

You recently said that Photoshop Elements runs only under OS 9, not
natively in OS X, despite it having installed and run under every
relevant OS X version prior to Leopard. Hell, the installer even runs
under Leopard. Perhaps it's like in the Warner Brothers Roadrunner
cartoons, in which the coyote runs off a cliff but doesn't fall until
after he's looked down; maybe I just didn't know it was impossible until
you told me so.

And now you say that you know more than _Apple_ does.

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In article <47b86507$0$2000$ba624c82@nntp02.dk.telia.net>,
Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM.DeleteThis@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:

> Palle Jensen wrote:
> > On 2008-02-17 14:49:30 +0100, Tom Stiller <tomstiller.DeleteThis@comcast.net> said:
> >
> >> It would seem to me that if it a file fragment were to be placed
> >> directly upon some of the boot sectors, the filesystem is already
> >> screwed up. Sectors, boot or not, are either free or allocated. If a
> >> sector has a designated purpose, it should be allocated and nothing
> >> other than it's intended content should ever be placed upon it.
> >
> > Also my thought. Would seem strange id the system allowed anything to be
> > placed on top of the boot sector in the first place. But I guess Erik
> > has seen it all :-)
>
> Good heavens no! - I'm luckily I haven't seen everything that could
> happen to a Mac, but in my 'Mac life' I've seen quite a lot...
>
But have you seen a healthy filesystem overwrite its boot sectors with
fragments of some other file? I believe that's what you claimed.

My position is that a healthy filesystem wouldn't permit that and if the
filesystem were broken, defragmentation would not fix it.

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On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:21:32 -0500, Mike Rosenberg wrote
(in article <1icg9c8.ucqdu7fa9hczN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>):

> You recently said that Photoshop Elements runs only under OS 9, not natively
> in OS X, despite it having installed and run under every relevant OS X
> version prior to Leopard.

Errr... I have it running under 10.5.1 and now 10.5.2. Did I do something
wrong?

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John Varela <OLDlamps DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:21:32 -0500, Mike Rosenberg wrote
> (in article <1icg9c8.ucqdu7fa9hczN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>):
>
> > You recently said that Photoshop Elements runs only under OS 9, not natively
> > in OS X, despite it having installed and run under every relevant OS X
> > version prior to Leopard.
>
> Errr... I have it running under 10.5.1 and now 10.5.2. Did I do something
> wrong?

No, I did. I meant to specify Photoshop Elements 2.0. He said that
version does not run natively in OS X.

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Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM.RemoveThis@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:

> what Mike forgets to say that what I wrote was that some specific
> versions of older Photoshop Elements cannot run on OS X. I wrote nothing
> about the newer oS X savvy versions!

Yes, I did leave out that you specifically referred to PE 2.0. Sorry
for the omission. Anyway, you incorrectly stated that PE 2.0 does not
run natively in OS X when, in fact, it does. Mind you, it's not that
you made such a mistake in the first place. We all make mistakes, as I
myself have demonstrated in my prior post. However, when you were
informed back then of your mistake, you stuck by it.

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On 2008-02-16 21:10:23 -0700, dorayme <doraymeRidThis.DeleteThis@optusnet.com.au> said:

> For some work, like where large continuous space is needed,
> whatever it takes to get it, is not an unneeded thing. For
> example, a large chunk of scratch for heavy work in Photoshop
> with big files. So I support Erik on this. I have no particular
> views on how to get this space.
>
> The technique of backing up and restoring seems good. I often
> just wipe a spare disk clean with disk utility, reformat it, I
> know it is clean then. For temporary work anyway.

That might be a good reason to partition a work area for that kind of use.
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Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM.DeleteThis@NOSPAM.dk> wrote:

> > However, when you were
> > informed back then of your mistake, you stuck by it.
>
> And I'll stick to it. I've just tried to install PhE 2.0 from a third
> original CD on an older powerMac Dual G4/500 running all the latest in
> OS x 10.4.11... PhE 2.0 WILLNOT install on OS X!!! - AND - i've also
> tried this tird Cd on my own MacPro running both 10.4.11 and 10.5.2 -
> PhE 2.0 WILLNOT install!!!

Once again, you're taking the fact that YOU are incapable of doing
something and extrapolating from that failure to declare that it's
impossible. Well, not only is it possible, it simply works for other
people, with no special effort involved. I think you would be better
off putting your effort into determining why you cannot accomplish it
yourself than in denying it works for most everyone else.

Back when we first discussed this, the very next day I came across a
fully functional copy of Photoshop Elements 2.0 running natively in Mac
OS X 10.4.11 on a client's MacBook Pro. I posted the following
screenshot, which you never commented on:

http://macconsult.com/usenet/pe20.png

In all fairness, it was transferred to that Mac from his PowerMac G4
using Migration Assistant, but I had installed it originally on that
PowerMac for him under whatever version of Panther was current at the
time.

And here are four more screenshots I just made now in installing PE 2.0
on my G5 running 10.5.2:

http://macconsult.com/usenet/pe20b.png
http://macconsult.com/usenet/pe20c.png
http://macconsult.com/usenet/pe20d.png
http://macconsult.com/usenet/pe20e.png

So, it installs even under 10.5.2. It won't launch under 10.5.x, but it
installs, and it runs under 10.4.11. I have no idea why none of this
works for you, but that's what we've been talking about all along, how
_YOUR_ experiences differ from everyone else's.

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