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Boyd Bottorff

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Since: May 10, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 12:30 am
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OK, I got this game. I have to agree with those who said the manual
isn't the greatest. And, in my opinion, the game could have used some
help to make it more intuitive.

So, I have a few questions. Playing America, I landed a couple
divisions on one of the Pacific islands and easily defeated the japanese
force there. But the Japs never left the island. The fighting stopped,
but I had an opposing force that I couldn't get rid of.

What happens here? Chasing the Vichy across Africa, they always
retreated away from me. I didn't want to leave the island and "unpin"
my opponent, but I needed my forces elsewhere.

Secondly, is there any way to increase odds of destroying an opposing
force completely? Somehow, an infantry unit was able to keep ahead of
my tanks. I chased him almost all the way to Saudi Arabia... any sane
commander would have surrendured somewhere near Tunis.

On the plus side, though, I got the emotional warm fuzzy of having the
Hiryu being my first kill.

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Joseph Nebus

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Since: Jul 24, 2003
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 4:37 am
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bbottorff.TakeThisOut@nomail.com (Boyd Bottorff) writes:

 >So, I have a few questions. Playing America, I landed a couple
 >divisions on one of the Pacific islands and easily defeated the japanese
 >force there. But the Japs never left the island. The fighting stopped,
 >but I had an opposing force that I couldn't get rid of.

  They leave eventually, in my experience. It just takes a dreadful
long time to evacuate forces from those little Pacific islands; there's
not a lot of placees to go (and I tend to have their shipping pretty well
bottled up). It seems to be the computer's side of that nasty catch
where an assault fails and your troops spend a month marching to the
nearest island in their retreat.


 >Secondly, is there any way to increase odds of destroying an opposing
 >force completely? Somehow, an infantry unit was able to keep ahead of
 >my tanks. I chased him almost all the way to Saudi Arabia... any sane
 >commander would have surrendured somewhere near Tunis.

  That I haven't figured out, but there are enough riotously
insane things that happened in the real World War II that I can't quite
accuse the game of being unrealistic in that regard.


 >On the plus side, though, I got the emotional warm fuzzy of having the
 >Hiryu being my first kill.

  Playing the US I've finally gotten around to rooting Japan out
of most of the Pacific islands -- including Formosa -- although I've
been trying to gather forces to concentrate on Europe first. Finally
I made it to my first D-Day invasion in France yesterday; it was touch
and go for a while but I got to the liberation of France. Unfortunately
I gave Italy such little attention their forces are grabbing up chunks
of southwestern France, but I'm trusting as my new mechanized infrantry
gets going I'll be able to hold the southern front under control.

  Preparing the invasion can be boring, but *man*, once the action
starts it doesn't let up. I bet anyone who doesn't like the game would
change their attitude if they included a 6 June 1944 scenario.

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Jammer Six

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 1:19 pm
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In article <nebusj.1084253275.RemoveThis@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu>, Joseph Nebus
<nebusj.RemoveThis@rpi.edu> wrote:

€ Preparing the invasion can be boring, but *man*, once the action
€ starts it doesn't let up. I bet anyone who doesn't like the game would
€ change their attitude if they included a 6 June 1944 scenario.

I just invaded France on March 1, 1942.

I'm ahead of schedule, and Paris fell on May 12th.

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Joseph Nebus

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 2:55 am
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Jammer Six <jammer DeleteThis @invalid.oz.net> writes:

 >In article <nebusj.1084253275 DeleteThis @vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu>, Joseph Nebus
 ><nebusj DeleteThis @rpi.edu> wrote:

  >> Preparing the invasion can be boring, but *man*, once the action
  >> starts it doesn't let up. I bet anyone who doesn't like the game would
  >> change their attitude if they included a 6 June 1944 scenario.

 >I just invaded France on March 1, 1942.

 >I'm ahead of schedule, and Paris fell on May 12th.

  I launched mine in summer 1943; had the Liberation of France by
early September. That *seems* to be triggered by posessing both Paris
and Vichy, but that's a wild guess based on one test case. I did get a
pretty nasty supply crunch, to my great surprise; I was convoying enough
supplies around the world my home industrial production was cut too deep
to make all the supplies and new troops (never mind new research) that I
wanted done. Between that and cleaning up Italy I'm ... well, not too
bad off. It's February 1944 and I've got good swath of northwest Germany
under my control. But the Soviets did a lot better in this game; they've
already got East Germany, and I never managed to ally with them.

  An interesting quirk I've found is the game doesn't seem to
model the Allied Military Government of Occupied Territories. The
Italian provinces I've (and the UK have) liberated went to the French
to administer. The German provinces are going to the Netherlands so
far.

  Italy, now, as far as I can tell just has those Balkan provinces,
Corsica, and non-coastal Libya under their control; the game still won't
let me annex or force it out of the war because I don't control all the
major provinces, somehow. If I could spare the transports I'd grab up
Corsica and the Balkan territories, but I'm probably better off with a
drive into Austria anyway.

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