Heroes III on Mac OS X

In article <1151000301.197845.308340.DeleteThis@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
<johnkeates.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Can anyone help me on getting Heroes III run in the classic env. ?
> I can start os 9 in X, do everything, run all apps, no problems.
> But when I play Heroes III after some time playing it just crashes, the
> game stops, the screen goes black and back to osx, then Heroes III is
> still in the dock. I cannot quit it, and will only go away when I force
> quit is several times. And only after doing that classic can be
> stopped.
> I did clean installs of mac os 9, used a disk image as play disk, used
> a normal cd, ran classic from a system folder copied from a working os9
> machine. Nothing works, situation is always the same. I can play for a
> short time without any problems, but it always crashes after a short
> time (but I have time enough to save the game, it's like after 5 mins
> before it crashes)
> If anyone can help me on this... Thanks


I'm not sure if this is really any help except to say that it really is
possible to play Heroes III under Classic because I still play quite
often. I have MDD G4 dual 1GHz , 1Gb RAM with OSX10.3.9, and Classic
System Folder with OS9.2.2. Runs Heroes III v. 4.0 (size 3.2Mb) from
the Heroes III Complete distribution with the Play Disk as a disk
image. Never had any problems.

I suppose you used the old OS9 'magic' of loading with no or minimal
extensions?

Kit
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in article 1151014013.242092.173840 DeleteThis @r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, J.K at
johnkeates DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote on 6/22/06 3:06 PM:

> Thanks for the fast reply's. I almost thought the mac part of the
> groups where dead....

I check in nearly every day. Most of the time, nothing is happening, but
every once in a while there is a little flurry of activity. So, no, not dead
yet.

:-)

> If you can think of anything, please post it..

Probably not worth anything, but I just had a vagrant thought. Are you
running any peripherals or have installed any PCI cards that required extra
software to run, including extensions? Reason I ask is that after I
installed a third party card that allowed extra USB connections to my G4, I
could no longer put my Mac to sleep, and some of my other apps began doing
funny things from time to time. Running TechTool didn't reveal any
conflicts, but you never know...

Michael
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In article <220620062020140102%kitzyme@yahoo.com>,
Kit <kitzyme DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <1151000301.197845.308340 DeleteThis @u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
> <johnkeates DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Can anyone help me on getting Heroes III run in the classic env. ?
> > I can start os 9 in X, do everything, run all apps, no problems.
> > But when I play Heroes III after some time playing it just crashes, the
> > game stops, the screen goes black and back to osx, then Heroes III is
> > still in the dock. I cannot quit it, and will only go away when I force
> > quit is several times. And only after doing that classic can be
> > stopped.
> > I did clean installs of mac os 9, used a disk image as play disk, used
> > a normal cd, ran classic from a system folder copied from a working os9
> > machine. Nothing works, situation is always the same. I can play for a
> > short time without any problems, but it always crashes after a short
> > time (but I have time enough to save the game, it's like after 5 mins
> > before it crashes)
> > If anyone can help me on this... Thanks
>
>
> I'm not sure if this is really any help except to say that it really is
> possible to play Heroes III under Classic because I still play quite
> often. I have MDD G4 dual 1GHz , 1Gb RAM with OSX10.3.9, and Classic
> System Folder with OS9.2.2. Runs Heroes III v. 4.0 (size 3.2Mb) from
> the Heroes III Complete distribution with the Play Disk as a disk
> image. Never had any problems.
>
> I suppose you used the old OS9 'magic' of loading with no or minimal
> extensions?

I also play a lot of Heroes III (v4.01) running under Classic on 10.3.9
on an upgraded G4/533 Digital Audio (now dual 1.6GHz G4s). It works
fine, I rarely have a crash and I assume it'd be crashing in the same
spot if I was running it under OS 9.

I also play Civ2Gold and Civ: Call to Power under Classic all the time
with no problems, but I have the exact same problem you have with Heroes
III trying to play Master of Orion II under Classic - both on my G4 and
my PowerBook G3/500. Does almost the same thing, but I don't end up
with MOO2 stuck in the background. It goes completely away like it was
quit. A friend runs it on his G4 Mini just fine.

Ran across someone who had the same thing happening with Civ2Gold...

It seems to be something that just happens to some people with some
programs. Don't know why...

Greg B.

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In article <null-5CA74F.16295122062006 RemoveThis @news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com>, Greg
Buchner <null RemoveThis @none.invalid> wrote:

> I also play a lot of Heroes III (v4.01) running under Classic on 10.3.9
> on an upgraded G4/533 Digital Audio (now dual 1.6GHz G4s).

Do you know what the update from v4.0 to v4.01 did?
I was just wondering if it's worthwhile me hunting down a patch.

Kit
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In article <220620062247540065%kitzyme@yahoo.com>,
Kit <kitzyme.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <null-5CA74F.16295122062006.RemoveThis@news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com>, Greg
> Buchner <null.RemoveThis@none.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I also play a lot of Heroes III (v4.01) running under Classic on 10.3.9
> > on an upgraded G4/533 Digital Audio (now dual 1.6GHz G4s).
>
> Do you know what the update from v4.0 to v4.01 did?
> I was just wondering if it's worthwhile me hunting down a patch.

Not offhand. I'd have to track it down to find out myself.

Greg B.

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johnkeates RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone help me on getting Heroes III run in the classic env. ?
> I can start os 9 in X, do everything, run all apps, no problems.
> But when I play Heroes III after some time playing it just crashes, the
> game stops, the screen goes black and back to osx, then Heroes III is
> still in the dock. I cannot quit it, and will only go away when I force
> quit is several times. And only after doing that classic can be
> stopped.
> I did clean installs of mac os 9, used a disk image as play disk, used
> a normal cd, ran classic from a system folder copied from a working os9
> machine. Nothing works, situation is always the same. I can play for a
> short time without any problems, but it always crashes after a short
> time (but I have time enough to save the game, it's like after 5 mins
> before it crashes)
> If anyone can help me on this... Thanks
>
no help for the problem -
but
instead of trying to force quit HoMM III when this happens -
force quit classic then restart it.
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"J.K" <johnkeates RemoveThis @gmail.com> writes:

>Thanks for the fast reply's. I almost thought the mac part of the
>groups where dead....

Oh, we're all here, it's just we don't seem to have as much
to talk about as we used to. Might it be worth it to the conversation
for the regulars to, say, take one day of the week in which they will
make an on-topic post to start a thread, and let the others respond or
not respond as they like? Such ``Nicoll Threads'' have been known in
the past to do healthy bits in revitalizing newsgroups, and I think
even I could come up with *something* relevant to Mac strategy games if
it was just once a week, plus popping in with whatever responses to
everybody else's threads that I like.

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in article nebusj.1151106092 RemoveThis @vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu, Joseph Nebus at
nebusj- RemoveThis @-rpi-.edu wrote on 6/23/06 4:43 PM:

> Might it be worth it to the conversation for the regulars to, say, take one
> day of the week in which they will make an on-topic post to start a thread,
> and let the others respond or not respond as they like?

That's a thought. But it seems to me that if people had anything to say,
they'd already be saying it. Don't let me put out the fire though, I'm
willing to have a go at it...if I can think of anything to post.

Michael
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In article <1151061488.779894.43770 DeleteThis @g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"J.K" <johnkeates DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> That's a problem, I cannot boot into OS 9 for 2 reasons:
>
> 1. The cpu upgrade patched the firmware and now it won't boot os 9...
> But that can be solved with another patch.

Ah, a PPC 7447 processor upgrade? That's what my upgrade is and I can
boot into OS 9 with it patched, but I get no sound 99% of the time.

> 2. I run Mac OS X for some Server activities like http, ftp, mail
> etc...
> So I can't have a big downtime...

You could try creating another user on your system and trying to play
from that user. I have a different user than my main account for
playing games.

> But I read on the net, many users report to be able to play Heroes III
> in classic very well.

But there might just be something particular that's unknown about your
system and you just might not be able to run it. That's life under OS X.

Greg B.

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In article <1151061488.779894.43770.TakeThisOut@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"J.K" <johnkeates.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's a problem, I cannot boot into OS 9 for 2 reasons:

Or something else you could try is to install the patch for OS 9, boot
into OS 9, start the game, play a couple of turns, save it, reboot into
OS X and then see if the game works for you.

Greg B.

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Greg Buchner wrote:
> In article <1151061488.779894.43770 DeleteThis @g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "J.K" <johnkeates DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That's a problem, I cannot boot into OS 9 for 2 reasons:
> >
> > 1. The cpu upgrade patched the firmware and now it won't boot os 9...
> > But that can be solved with another patch.
>
> Ah, a PPC 7447 processor upgrade? That's what my upgrade is and I can
> boot into OS 9 with it patched, but I get no sound 99% of the time.
>
> > 2. I run Mac OS X for some Server activities like http, ftp, mail
> > etc...
> > So I can't have a big downtime...
>
> You could try creating another user on your system and trying to play
> from that user. I have a different user than my main account for
> playing games.
>
> > But I read on the net, many users report to be able to play Heroes III
> > in classic very well.
>
> But there might just be something particular that's unknown about your
> system and you just might not be able to run it. That's life under OS X.
>
> Greg B.
>
> --
> Actual e-mail address is gbuchner and I'm located at mn.rr.com

It worked! I made a gaming account, and now Heroes III Complete runs
perfectly with Mac OS X / Classic and a disk image! Thanks!

And yes, it is a PPC 7447 upgrade, powerlogix.

Thanks alot, hope this will help others too.

Keep posting!
John
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In article <1151156164.675872.7180 RemoveThis @b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"J.K" <johnkeates RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> It worked! I made a gaming account, and now Heroes III Complete runs
> perfectly with Mac OS X / Classic and a disk image! Thanks!

Now you get to experience time disappearances. Happens to me all the
time with Heroes III. It can be 11 at nite, I'll think "just one more
turn" and the next thing I know it's 1am...

> And yes, it is a PPC 7447 upgrade, powerlogix.

I have a Giga Designs dual processor upgrade with the PPC 7447's.

> Thanks alot, hope this will help others too.

You're welcome, I'm glad we got it working for you.

Greg B.

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In article <null-B0BC05.22501222062006.TakeThisOut@news-rdr-02.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
Greg Buchner <null.TakeThisOut@none.invalid> wrote:

> In article <220620062247540065%kitzyme@yahoo.com>,
> Kit <kitzyme.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <null-5CA74F.16295122062006.TakeThisOut@news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com>, Greg
> > Buchner <null.TakeThisOut@none.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > I also play a lot of Heroes III (v4.01) running under Classic on 10.3.9
> > > on an upgraded G4/533 Digital Audio (now dual 1.6GHz G4s).
> >
> > Do you know what the update from v4.0 to v4.01 did?
> > I was just wondering if it's worthwhile me hunting down a patch.
>
> Not offhand. I'd have to track it down to find out myself.

According to the updater, the following was fixed:

- Game now correctly runs Spoils of War campaign.

- Trade with Allied Heroes in a multiplayer game no longer randomly
displays any memory errors.

- Inadequate Video Settings Dialog no longer appears when running in
Millions of COlors.

This does only apply to the Heroes III: Complete program, probably not
the early version.

It's only about 400K. If anyone wishes a copy, e-mail me and we'll work
something out.

Greg B.

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