Installing bundled XP Home from Virtual PC 5 on a non-virt..

In article
,
wrote:

> I wondered if anyone could help me to use my bundled XP Home that came
> with Virtual PC 5 on a PC I bought. (I had just bought both a Mac Mini
> and a G4 Power Book, a few months before the "Intel revolution" and
> don't feel I need to change either at the moment, so the clearance PC
> seemed like a good idea at the time!) It didn't come with any software
> other than DOS, so I thought I could use my Virtual PC Windows XP on
> it somehow and an article on :
> http://lists.apple.com/archives/Fed-talk/2006/Jul/msg00050.html
> appeared to offer a way of doing this. However, there are some
> differences between my situation and the one described. The Windows XP
> I have on the installation CD is not SP2. Also I received two, not
> three installation disks: one marked "Disk 1 Installation Disk" and
> the other: "Disk 2 Extra System Files". I thought that the second disk
> may correspond to the 3rd disk in Virtual PC 7, but I can't be sure.
> Both disks when opened on my Mac desktop show a folder marked "I386"
> and not "i386". I am not sure if these are the same as the folder that
> is described on the webpage or not.
> The fact that the software isn't SP2 would probably affect the "-
> ENU.exe" file I should use. Is there one that is specific for Windows
> XP prior to SP2?
> I am sorry for bothering you on this issue, which is probably a very
> old chestnut. It is just that I live in Laos and experts are pretty
> thin on the ground out here. I hope that someone can find a little
> time to give me some advice.
> Regards,
> therevd.

It's not possible, and even if it was it breaks the agreement you
"signed" when opening the Virtual PC packaging.


Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:58:36 +1300, Helpful Harry
wrote:

>In article
> ,
> wrote:
>
>> I wondered if anyone could help me to use my bundled XP Home that came
>> with Virtual PC 5 on a PC I bought. (I had just bought both a Mac Mini
>> and a G4 Power Book, a few months before the "Intel revolution" and
>> don't feel I need to change either at the moment, so the clearance PC
>> seemed like a good idea at the time!) It didn't come with any software
>> other than DOS, so I thought I could use my Virtual PC Windows XP on
>> it somehow and an article on :
>> http://lists.apple.com/archives/Fed-talk/2006/Jul/msg00050.html
>> appeared to offer a way of doing this. However, there are some
>> differences between my situation and the one described. The Windows XP
>> I have on the installation CD is not SP2. Also I received two, not
>> three installation disks: one marked "Disk 1 Installation Disk" and
>> the other: "Disk 2 Extra System Files". I thought that the second disk
>> may correspond to the 3rd disk in Virtual PC 7, but I can't be sure.
>> Both disks when opened on my Mac desktop show a folder marked "I386"
>> and not "i386". I am not sure if these are the same as the folder that
>> is described on the webpage or not.
>> The fact that the software isn't SP2 would probably affect the "-
>> ENU.exe" file I should use. Is there one that is specific for Windows
>> XP prior to SP2?
>> I am sorry for bothering you on this issue, which is probably a very
>> old chestnut. It is just that I live in Laos and experts are pretty
>> thin on the ground out here. I hope that someone can find a little
>> time to give me some advice.
>> Regards,
>> therevd.
>
>It's not possible, and even if it was it breaks the agreement you
>"signed" when opening the Virtual PC packaging.

It is possible, but it does break the license agreement and MS doesn't
like that. They generally send you a nice email asking you to remove
said procedure. ;-)

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.
 >> Stay informed about: Installing bundled XP Home from Virtual PC 5 on a non-virt.. 

On Dec 12, 8:56 am, Steve Jain wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:58:36 +1300, Helpful Harry
>
>
>
> wrote:
> >In article
> > ,
> > wrote:
>
> >> I wondered if anyone could help me to use my bundled XP Home that came
> >> with Virtual PC 5 on a PC I bought. (I had just bought both a Mac Mini
> >> and a G4 Power Book, a few months before the "Intel revolution" and
> >> don't feel I need to change either at the moment, so the clearance PC
> >> seemed like a good idea at the time!) It didn't come with any software
> >> other than DOS, so I thought I could use my Virtual PC Windows XP on
> >> it somehow and an article on :
> >>http://lists.apple.com/archives/Fed-talk/2006/Jul/msg00050.html
> >> appeared to offer a way of doing this. However, there are some
> >> differences between my situation and the one described. The Windows XP
> >> I have on the installation CD is not SP2. Also I received two, not
> >> three installation disks: one marked "Disk 1 Installation Disk" and
> >> the other: "Disk 2 Extra System Files". I thought that the second disk
> >> may correspond to the 3rd disk in Virtual PC 7, but I can't be sure.
> >> Both disks when opened on my Mac desktop show a folder marked "I386"
> >> and not "i386". I am not sure if these are the same as the folder that
> >> is described on the webpage or not.
> >> The fact that the software isn't SP2 would probably affect the "-
> >> ENU.exe" file I should use. Is there one that is specific for Windows
> >> XP prior to SP2?
> >> I am sorry for bothering you on this issue, which is probably a very
> >> old chestnut. It is just that I live in Laos and experts are pretty
> >> thin on the ground out here. I hope that someone can find a little
> >> time to give me some advice.
> >> Regards,
> >> therevd.
>
> >It's not possible, and even if it was it breaks the agreement you
> >"signed" when opening the Virtual PC packaging.
>
> It is possible, but it does break the license agreement and MS doesn't
> like that. They generally send you a nice email asking you to remove
> said procedure. ;-)
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVPhttp://vpc.essjae.com/
> I do not work for Microsoft.

Thanks for the replies. I have to say, that having given the license
agreement that came with my Connectix Virtual PC for Mac a thorough
going over, there is absolutely nothing on the documentation that
states that I cannot use the Windows XP outwith Virtual PC. It states
that I can only run it on one PC at a time and I can only make one
backup copy. All of this I am quite happy to abide by. The
restrictions you have spoken about may have been more graphically
spelt out on the Microsoft owned versions 6 and 7, but believe me they
aren't there on Version 5! If the software is in fact restricted in
this way, then it certainly hasn't been made clear that this is the
case.
 >> Stay informed about: Installing bundled XP Home from Virtual PC 5 on a non-virt.. 

On Dec 12, 8:25 am, wrote:
> On Dec 12, 8:56 am, Steve Jain wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:58:36 +1300, Helpful Harry
>
> > wrote:
> > >In article
> > > ,
> > > wrote:
>
> > >> I wondered if anyone could help me to use my bundled XP Home that came
> > >> with Virtual PC 5 on a PC I bought. (I had just bought both a Mac Mini
> > >> and a G4 Power Book, a few months before the "Intel revolution" and
> > >> don't feel I need to change either at the moment, so the clearance PC
> > >> seemed like a good idea at the time!) It didn't come with any software
> > >> other than DOS, so I thought I could use my Virtual PC Windows XP on
> > >> it somehow and an article on :
> > >>http://lists.apple.com/archives/Fed-talk/2006/Jul/msg00050.html
> > >> appeared to offer a way of doing this. However, there are some
> > >> differences between my situation and the one described. The Windows XP
> > >> I have on the installation CD is not SP2. Also I received two, not
> > >> three installation disks: one marked "Disk 1 Installation Disk" and
> > >> the other: "Disk 2 Extra System Files". I thought that the second disk
> > >> may correspond to the 3rd disk in Virtual PC 7, but I can't be sure.
> > >> Both disks when opened on my Mac desktop show a folder marked "I386"
> > >> and not "i386". I am not sure if these are the same as the folder that
> > >> is described on the webpage or not.
> > >> The fact that the software isn't SP2 would probably affect the "-
> > >> ENU.exe" file I should use. Is there one that is specific for Windows
> > >> XP prior to SP2?
> > >> I am sorry for bothering you on this issue, which is probably a very
> > >> old chestnut. It is just that I live in Laos and experts are pretty
> > >> thin on the ground out here. I hope that someone can find a little
> > >> time to give me some advice.
> > >> Regards,
> > >> therevd.
>
> > >It's not possible, and even if it was it breaks the agreement you
> > >"signed" when opening the Virtual PC packaging.
>
> > It is possible, but it does break the license agreement and MS doesn't
> > like that. They generally send you a nice email asking you to remove
> > said procedure. ;-)
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVPhttp://vpc.essjae.com/
> > I do not work for Microsoft.
>
> Thanks for the replies. I have to say, that having given the license
> agreement that came with my Connectix Virtual PC for Mac a thorough
> going over, there is absolutely nothing on the documentation that
> states that I cannot use the Windows XP outwith Virtual PC. It states
> that I can only run it on one PC at a time and I can only make one
> backup copy. All of this I am quite happy to abide by. The
> restrictions you have spoken about may have been more graphically
> spelt out on the Microsoft owned versions 6 and 7, but believe me they
> aren't there on Version 5! If the software is in fact restricted in
> this way, then it certainly hasn't been made clear that this is the
> case.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


If you believe that you are entitled to use the Windows XP that
bundled with Virtual PC 5, the ONLY accurate advice that anyone can
give you is to contact the manufacturer of Virtual PC 5, who would be
the Original Equipment Manufacturer of record, since that version of
Windows is, indeed, an OEM version and is the property and
responsibility of the software company that bundled the package
together. Unfortunately, Connectix is no longer in business and
Microsoft assumed NO responsibility for the VPC product until VPC 6.1
 >> Stay informed about: Installing bundled XP Home from Virtual PC 5 on a non-virt.. 

On Dec 13, 1:06 am, Paul Power wrote:
> On Dec 12, 8:25 am, wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 8:56 am, Steve Jain wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:58:36 +1300, Helpful Harry
>
> > > wrote:
> > > >In article
> > > > ,
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > >> I wondered if anyone could help me to use my bundled XP Home that came
> > > >> with Virtual PC 5 on a PC I bought. (I had just bought both a Mac Mini
> > > >> and a G4 Power Book, a few months before the "Intel revolution" and
> > > >> don't feel I need to change either at the moment, so the clearance PC
> > > >> seemed like a good idea at the time!) It didn't come with any software
> > > >> other than DOS, so I thought I could use my Virtual PC Windows XP on
> > > >> it somehow and an article on :
> > > >>http://lists.apple.com/archives/Fed-talk/2006/Jul/msg00050.html
> > > >> appeared to offer a way of doing this. However, there are some
> > > >> differences between my situation and the one described. The Windows XP
> > > >> I have on the installation CD is not SP2. Also I received two, not
> > > >> three installation disks: one marked "Disk 1 Installation Disk" and
> > > >> the other: "Disk 2 Extra System Files". I thought that the second disk
> > > >> may correspond to the 3rd disk in Virtual PC 7, but I can't be sure.
> > > >> Both disks when opened on my Mac desktop show a folder marked "I386"
> > > >> and not "i386". I am not sure if these are the same as the folder that
> > > >> is described on the webpage or not.
> > > >> The fact that the software isn't SP2 would probably affect the "-
> > > >> ENU.exe" file I should use. Is there one that is specific for Windows
> > > >> XP prior to SP2?
> > > >> I am sorry for bothering you on this issue, which is probably a very
> > > >> old chestnut. It is just that I live in Laos and experts are pretty
> > > >> thin on the ground out here. I hope that someone can find a little
> > > >> time to give me some advice.
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> therevd.
>
> > > >It's not possible, and even if it was it breaks the agreement you
> > > >"signed" when opening the Virtual PC packaging.
>
> > > It is possible, but it does break the license agreement and MS doesn't
> > > like that. They generally send you a nice email asking you to remove
> > > said procedure. ;-)
>
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > > Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVPhttp://vpc.essjae.com/
> > > I do not work for Microsoft.
>
> > Thanks for the replies. I have to say, that having given the license
> > agreement that came with my Connectix Virtual PC for Mac a thorough
> > going over, there is absolutely nothing on the documentation that
> > states that I cannot use the Windows XP outwith Virtual PC. It states
> > that I can only run it on one PC at a time and I can only make one
> > backup copy. All of this I am quite happy to abide by. The
> > restrictions you have spoken about may have been more graphically
> > spelt out on the Microsoft owned versions 6 and 7, but believe me they
> > aren't there on Version 5! If the software is in fact restricted in
> > this way, then it certainly hasn't been made clear that this is the
> > case.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> If you believe that you are entitled to use the Windows XP that
> bundled with Virtual PC 5, the ONLY accurate advice that anyone can
> give you is to contact the manufacturer of Virtual PC 5, who would be
> the Original Equipment Manufacturer of record, since that version of
> Windows is, indeed, an OEM version and is the property and
> responsibility of the software company that bundled the package
> together. Unfortunately, Connectix is no longer in business and
> Microsoft assumed NO responsibility for the VPC product until VPC 6.1

I think that I am getting the message that people think that trying to
use the copy of Windows XP that I purchased is a bad thing to do. So I
should take their advice and either pay through the nose for a
possibly licensed copy of XP from a third party, non-authorised
reseller here - or alternatively, having scanned Microsoft Thailand's
(only in Thai) website and come across a list of resellers that
suggests I make a two hundred mile round trip to possibly qualify for
an education priced copy, I should leave my current country of
residence, cross the border into Thailand get the software and pay the
customs duty on my return all to run Windows on an HP Pavillion with
Pentium D, I paid a little over $200 for.
You hopefully see why I was hoping to use my existing software. I am
not a criminal - not knowingly anyway, yet in a country, sadly without
much of a concept of intellectual property rights, the fact that
running software I purchased on only one machine, is considered off-
limits by Microsoft, whose service in this region doesn't even extend
to listing this country on it's website, seems a little unreasonable.
Why on earth should Virtual PC owners not be able to use their
legitimately purchased copies of Windows software, following the
switch by Mac to Intel? Obviously I am not the only person tempted to
flout "the rules". After all, wasn't it Microsoft themselves who
killed off Virtual PC for Mac? Microsoft clearly want to fully explore
the possibility of having it's cake and eating it!
 >> Stay informed about: Installing bundled XP Home from Virtual PC 5 on a non-virt.. 

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:52:37 -0800 (PST), wrote:

>On Dec 13, 1:06 am, Paul Power wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 8:25 am, wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 12, 8:56 am, Steve Jain wrote:
>>
>> > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:58:36 +1300, Helpful Harry
>>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >In article
>> > > > ,
>> > > > wrote:
>>
>> > > >> I wondered if anyone could help me to use my bundled XP Home that came
>> > > >> with Virtual PC 5 on a PC I bought. (I had just bought both a Mac Mini
>> > > >> and a G4 Power Book, a few months before the "Intel revolution" and
>> > > >> don't feel I need to change either at the moment, so the clearance PC
>> > > >> seemed like a good idea at the time!) It didn't come with any software
>> > > >> other than DOS, so I thought I could use my Virtual PC Windows XP on
>> > > >> it somehow and an article on :
>> > > >>http://lists.apple.com/archives/Fed-talk/2006/Jul/msg00050.html
>> > > >> appeared to offer a way of doing this. However, there are some
>> > > >> differences between my situation and the one described. The Windows XP
>> > > >> I have on the installation CD is not SP2. Also I received two, not
>> > > >> three installation disks: one marked "Disk 1 Installation Disk" and
>> > > >> the other: "Disk 2 Extra System Files". I thought that the second disk
>> > > >> may correspond to the 3rd disk in Virtual PC 7, but I can't be sure.
>> > > >> Both disks when opened on my Mac desktop show a folder marked "I386"
>> > > >> and not "i386". I am not sure if these are the same as the folder that
>> > > >> is described on the webpage or not.
>> > > >> The fact that the software isn't SP2 would probably affect the "-
>> > > >> ENU.exe" file I should use. Is there one that is specific for Windows
>> > > >> XP prior to SP2?
>> > > >> I am sorry for bothering you on this issue, which is probably a very
>> > > >> old chestnut. It is just that I live in Laos and experts are pretty
>> > > >> thin on the ground out here. I hope that someone can find a little
>> > > >> time to give me some advice.
>> > > >> Regards,
>> > > >> therevd.
>>
>> > > >It's not possible, and even if it was it breaks the agreement you
>> > > >"signed" when opening the Virtual PC packaging.
>>
>> > > It is possible, but it does break the license agreement and MS doesn't
>> > > like that. They generally send you a nice email asking you to remove
>> > > said procedure. ;-)
>>
>> > > --
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVPhttp://vpc.essjae.com/
>> > > I do not work for Microsoft.
>>
>> > Thanks for the replies. I have to say, that having given the license
>> > agreement that came with my Connectix Virtual PC for Mac a thorough
>> > going over, there is absolutely nothing on the documentation that
>> > states that I cannot use the Windows XP outwith Virtual PC. It states
>> > that I can only run it on one PC at a time and I can only make one
>> > backup copy. All of this I am quite happy to abide by. The
>> > restrictions you have spoken about may have been more graphically
>> > spelt out on the Microsoft owned versions 6 and 7, but believe me they
>> > aren't there on Version 5! If the software is in fact restricted in
>> > this way, then it certainly hasn't been made clear that this is the
>> > case.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> If you believe that you are entitled to use the Windows XP that
>> bundled with Virtual PC 5, the ONLY accurate advice that anyone can
>> give you is to contact the manufacturer of Virtual PC 5, who would be
>> the Original Equipment Manufacturer of record, since that version of
>> Windows is, indeed, an OEM version and is the property and
>> responsibility of the software company that bundled the package
>> together. Unfortunately, Connectix is no longer in business and
>> Microsoft assumed NO responsibility for the VPC product until VPC 6.1
>
>I think that I am getting the message that people think that trying to
>use the copy of Windows XP that I purchased is a bad thing to do. So I
>should take their advice and either pay through the nose for a
>possibly licensed copy of XP from a third party, non-authorised
>reseller here - or alternatively, having scanned Microsoft Thailand's
>(only in Thai) website and come across a list of resellers that
>suggests I make a two hundred mile round trip to possibly qualify for
>an education priced copy, I should leave my current country of
>residence, cross the border into Thailand get the software and pay the
>customs duty on my return all to run Windows on an HP Pavillion with
>Pentium D, I paid a little over $200 for.
>You hopefully see why I was hoping to use my existing software. I am
>not a criminal - not knowingly anyway, yet in a country, sadly without
>much of a concept of intellectual property rights, the fact that
>running software I purchased on only one machine, is considered off-
>limits by Microsoft, whose service in this region doesn't even extend
>to listing this country on it's website, seems a little unreasonable.
>Why on earth should Virtual PC owners not be able to use their
>legitimately purchased copies of Windows software, following the
>switch by Mac to Intel? Obviously I am not the only person tempted to
>flout "the rules". After all, wasn't it Microsoft themselves who
>killed off Virtual PC for Mac? Microsoft clearly want to fully explore
>the possibility of having it's cake and eating it!

This has been discussed many times. OEM versions of Windows are
cheaper than retail versions. You took advantage of that when you
purchased VPC + Windows and saved $100 off the price of Windows.
OEM versions of Windows are only licensed for the hardware, virtual or
not, that it comes with. Connectix VPC+XP ran around $200-250, XP
only then was $220-250+ for a retail version. What you could have
done was purchase the stand-alone version of VPC, which ran about
$100-150, and a retail copy of XP,=$300-400...this is where your
savings came in with the bundle...and why most Mac users never
purchased a stand-alone copy of VPC and a retail version of Windows.

I'm pretty sure the Connectix version came with the Microsoft OEM
EULA, MS wouldn't have let us sell it otherwise.

This is not specific to Connectix. Any OEM version of Windows that
comes with Dell, HP, Lenovo, Toshiba, etc has the same restrictions,
it is only licensed and in many cases, limited by BIOS/hardware
detection, to run on the machine it was sold with.

Yes, you legitimately purchased Windows for use exclusively with VPC.
I'd say Apple killed off VPC, by switching to the Intel platform.
Microsoft chose not to rewrite a low sales volume app for the new
Macs, when other solutions were already in the works.

You can make all the justifications you like about it, but that's the
way OEM licensing is. It sounds like you want to have your cake and
eat it too.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.
 >> Stay informed about: Installing bundled XP Home from Virtual PC 5 on a non-virt.. 

In article
,
wrote:

> On Dec 13, 1:06 am, Paul Power wrote:
> > On Dec 12, 8:25 am, wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 12, 8:56 am, Steve Jain wrote:
> >
> > > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:58:36 +1300, Helpful Harry
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >In article
> > > > > ,
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > >> I wondered if anyone could help me to use my bundled XP Home that
> > > > >> came
> > > > >> with Virtual PC 5 on a PC I bought. (I had just bought both a Mac
> > > > >> Mini
> > > > >> and a G4 Power Book, a few months before the "Intel revolution" and
> > > > >> don't feel I need to change either at the moment, so the clearance PC
> > > > >> seemed like a good idea at the time!) It didn't come with any
> > > > >> software
> > > > >> other than DOS, so I thought I could use my Virtual PC Windows XP on
> > > > >> it somehow and an article on :
> > > > >>http://lists.apple.com/archives/Fed-talk/2006/Jul/msg00050.html
> > > > >> appeared to offer a way of doing this. However, there are some
> > > > >> differences between my situation and the one described. The Windows
> > > > >> XP
> > > > >> I have on the installation CD is not SP2. Also I received two, not
> > > > >> three installation disks: one marked "Disk 1 Installation Disk" and
> > > > >> the other: "Disk 2 Extra System Files". I thought that the second
> > > > >> disk
> > > > >> may correspond to the 3rd disk in Virtual PC 7, but I can't be sure.
> > > > >> Both disks when opened on my Mac desktop show a folder marked "I386"
> > > > >> and not "i386". I am not sure if these are the same as the folder
> > > > >> that
> > > > >> is described on the webpage or not.
> > > > >> The fact that the software isn't SP2 would probably affect the "-
> > > > >> ENU.exe" file I should use. Is there one that is specific for Windows
> > > > >> XP prior to SP2?
> > > > >> I am sorry for bothering you on this issue, which is probably a very
> > > > >> old chestnut. It is just that I live in Laos and experts are pretty
> > > > >> thin on the ground out here. I hope that someone can find a little
> > > > >> time to give me some advice.
> > > > >> Regards,
> > > > >> therevd.
> >
> > > > >It's not possible, and even if it was it breaks the agreement you
> > > > >"signed" when opening the Virtual PC packaging.
> >
> > > > It is possible, but it does break the license agreement and MS doesn't
> > > > like that. They generally send you a nice email asking you to remove
> > > > said procedure. ;-)
> >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVPhttp://vpc.essjae.com/
> > > > I do not work for Microsoft.
> >
> > > Thanks for the replies. I have to say, that having given the license
> > > agreement that came with my Connectix Virtual PC for Mac a thorough
> > > going over, there is absolutely nothing on the documentation that
> > > states that I cannot use the Windows XP outwith Virtual PC. It states
> > > that I can only run it on one PC at a time and I can only make one
> > > backup copy. All of this I am quite happy to abide by. The
> > > restrictions you have spoken about may have been more graphically
> > > spelt out on the Microsoft owned versions 6 and 7, but believe me they
> > > aren't there on Version 5! If the software is in fact restricted in
> > > this way, then it certainly hasn't been made clear that this is the
> > > case.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > If you believe that you are entitled to use the Windows XP that
> > bundled with Virtual PC 5, the ONLY accurate advice that anyone can
> > give you is to contact the manufacturer of Virtual PC 5, who would be
> > the Original Equipment Manufacturer of record, since that version of
> > Windows is, indeed, an OEM version and is the property and
> > responsibility of the software company that bundled the package
> > together. Unfortunately, Connectix is no longer in business and
> > Microsoft assumed NO responsibility for the VPC product until VPC 6.1
>
> I think that I am getting the message that people think that trying to
> use the copy of Windows XP that I purchased is a bad thing to do. So I
> should take their advice and either pay through the nose for a
> possibly licensed copy of XP from a third party, non-authorised
> reseller here - or alternatively, having scanned Microsoft Thailand's
> (only in Thai) website and come across a list of resellers that
> suggests I make a two hundred mile round trip to possibly qualify for
> an education priced copy, I should leave my current country of
> residence, cross the border into Thailand get the software and pay the
> customs duty on my return all to run Windows on an HP Pavillion with
> Pentium D, I paid a little over $200 for.
> You hopefully see why I was hoping to use my existing software. I am
> not a criminal - not knowingly anyway, yet in a country, sadly without
> much of a concept of intellectual property rights, the fact that
> running software I purchased on only one machine, is considered off-
> limits by Microsoft, whose service in this region doesn't even extend
> to listing this country on it's website, seems a little unreasonable.
> Why on earth should Virtual PC owners not be able to use their
> legitimately purchased copies of Windows software, following the
> switch by Mac to Intel? Obviously I am not the only person tempted to
> flout "the rules".

It's no different to the copy of Windows that comes with a brand new
Dell PC - you are NOT allowed to take that and install it on any other
computer for any reason. The same happens with the version of the Mac
OS that comes with a new computer.

It's called "bundled" and is cheaper for a reason.

If you had thought you might want to do something like this, then you
should really have bought plain Virtual PC without any operating system
and bought a separate Windows license. That way you can use it however
you want (within the "installed on one computer at a time"
restricition).

It's standard practice in the computer industry and has been for
decades.

Simple fact: It's not legal to do it.
Whining on about it isn't going to make any difference at all.




> After all, wasn't it Microsoft themselves who killed off Virtual PC
> for Mac? Microsoft clearly want to fully explore the possibility of
> having it's cake and eating it!

Microsoft stopped making Virtual PC for the Mac since it would have
required yet another re-write for the Intel-based Macs. With other
options already around, it simply wasn't worht them wasting time,
effort and money on such a small number of users.


Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
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I'm really glad that in fact, I bought my Virtual PC on eBay. I simply
had no idea that I was getting such a "bargain" when I bought it, as I
only wanted Windows software to help me operate software and
communicate with PC users, at a time when there were more problems
doing this than today - I had no knowledge of the price of standalone
price of XP Home - in the US or anywhere else! I am very happy to say
that things for Mac users are currently much better than back then.
Incidentally, I am not "whining" I am simply highlighting the very
inadequate service offered by Microsoft in this part of the world! Is
it any wonder that the vast majority of PCs are sold without licensed
software in this part of the world? I accept the legal restrictions
and will in all probability make the effort to obtain another licensed
copy of Windows XP. Thanks for your clarification of the matter.
On Dec 13, 7:00 am, Steve Jain wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:52:37 -0800 (PST), wrote:
> >On Dec 13, 1:06 am, Paul Power wrote:
> >> On Dec 12, 8:25 am, wrote:
>
> >> > On Dec 12, 8:56 am, Steve Jain wrote:
>
> >> > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:58:36 +1300, Helpful Harry
>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >In article
> >> > > > ,
> >> > > > wrote:
>
> >> > > >> I wondered if anyone could help me to use my bundled XP Home that came
> >> > > >> with Virtual PC 5 on a PC I bought. (I had just bought both a Mac Mini
> >> > > >> and a G4 Power Book, a few months before the "Intel revolution" and
> >> > > >> don't feel I need to change either at the moment, so the clearance PC
> >> > > >> seemed like a good idea at the time!) It didn't come with any software
> >> > > >> other than DOS, so I thought I could use my Virtual PC Windows XP on
> >> > > >> it somehow and an article on :
> >> > > >>http://lists.apple.com/archives/Fed-talk/2006/Jul/msg00050.html
> >> > > >> appeared to offer a way of doing this. However, there are some
> >> > > >> differences between my situation and the one described. The Windows XP
> >> > > >> I have on the installation CD is not SP2. Also I received two, not
> >> > > >> three installation disks: one marked "Disk 1 Installation Disk" and
> >> > > >> the other: "Disk 2 Extra System Files". I thought that the second disk
> >> > > >> may correspond to the 3rd disk in Virtual PC 7, but I can't be sure.
> >> > > >> Both disks when opened on my Mac desktop show a folder marked "I386"
> >> > > >> and not "i386". I am not sure if these are the same as the folder that
> >> > > >> is described on the webpage or not.
> >> > > >> The fact that the software isn't SP2 would probably affect the "-
> >> > > >> ENU.exe" file I should use. Is there one that is specific for Windows
> >> > > >> XP prior to SP2?
> >> > > >> I am sorry for bothering you on this issue, which is probably a very
> >> > > >> old chestnut. It is just that I live in Laos and experts are pretty
> >> > > >> thin on the ground out here. I hope that someone can find a little
> >> > > >> time to give me some advice.
> >> > > >> Regards,
> >> > > >> therevd.
>
> >> > > >It's not possible, and even if it was it breaks the agreement you
> >> > > >"signed" when opening the Virtual PC packaging.
>
> >> > > It is possible, but it does break the license agreement and MS doesn't
> >> > > like that. They generally send you a nice email asking you to remove
> >> > > said procedure. ;-)
>
> >> > > --
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > > Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVPhttp://vpc.essjae.com/
> >> > > I do not work for Microsoft.
>
> >> > Thanks for the replies. I have to say, that having given the license
> >> > agreement that came with my Connectix Virtual PC for Mac a thorough
> >> > going over, there is absolutely nothing on the documentation that
> >> > states that I cannot use the Windows XP outwith Virtual PC. It states
> >> > that I can only run it on one PC at a time and I can only make one
> >> > backup copy. All of this I am quite happy to abide by. The
> >> > restrictions you have spoken about may have been more graphically
> >> > spelt out on the Microsoft owned versions 6 and 7, but believe me they
> >> > aren't there on Version 5! If the software is in fact restricted in
> >> > this way, then it certainly hasn't been made clear that this is the
> >> > case.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> If you believe that you are entitled to use the Windows XP that
> >> bundled with Virtual PC 5, the ONLY accurate advice that anyone can
> >> give you is to contact the manufacturer of Virtual PC 5, who would be
> >> the Original Equipment Manufacturer of record, since that version of
> >> Windows is, indeed, an OEM version and is the property and
> >> responsibility of the software company that bundled the package
> >> together. Unfortunately, Connectix is no longer in business and
> >> Microsoft assumed NO responsibility for the VPC product until VPC 6.1
>
> >I think that I am getting the message that people think that trying to
> >use the copy of Windows XP that I purchased is a bad thing to do. So I
> >should take their advice and either pay through the nose for a
> >possibly licensed copy of XP from a third party, non-authorised
> >reseller here - or alternatively, having scanned Microsoft Thailand's
> >(only in Thai) website and come across a list of resellers that
> >suggests I make a two hundred mile round trip to possibly qualify for
> >an education priced copy, I should leave my current country of
> >residence, cross the border into Thailand get the software and pay the
> >customs duty on my return all to run Windows on an HP Pavillion with
> >Pentium D, I paid a little over $200 for.
> >You hopefully see why I was hoping to use my existing software. I am
> >not a criminal - not knowingly anyway, yet in a country, sadly without
> >much of a concept of intellectual property rights, the fact that
> >running software I purchased on only one machine, is considered off-
> >limits by Microsoft, whose service in this region doesn't even extend
> >to listing this country on it's website, seems a little unreasonable.
> >Why on earth should Virtual PC owners not be able to use their
> >legitimately purchased copies of Windows software, following the
> >switch by Mac to Intel? Obviously I am not the only person tempted to
> >flout "the rules". After all, wasn't it Microsoft themselves who
> >killed off Virtual PC for Mac? Microsoft clearly want to fully explore
> >the possibility of having it's cake and eating it!
>
> This has been discussed many times. OEM versions of Windows are
> cheaper than retail versions. You took advantage of that when you
> purchased VPC + Windows and saved $100 off the price of Windows.
> OEM versions of Windows are only licensed for the hardware, virtual or
> not, that it comes with. Connectix VPC+XP ran around $200-250, XP
> only then was $220-250+ for a retail version. What you could have
> done was purchase the stand-alone version of VPC, which ran about
> $100-150, and a retail copy of XP,=$300-400...this is where your
> savings came in with the bundle...and why most Mac users never
> purchased a stand-alone copy of VPC and a retail version of Windows.
>
> I'm pretty sure the Connectix version came with the Microsoft OEM
> EULA, MS wouldn't have let us sell it otherwise.
>
> This is not specific to Connectix. Any OEM version of Windows that
> comes with Dell, HP, Lenovo, Toshiba, etc has the same restrictions,
> it is only licensed and in many cases, limited by BIOS/hardware
> detection, to run on the machine it was sold with.
>
> Yes, you legitimately purchased Windows for use exclusively with VPC.
> I'd say Apple killed off VPC, by switching to the Intel platform.
> Microsoft chose not to rewrite a low sales volume app for the new
> Macs, when other solutions were already in the works.
>
> You can make all the justifications you like about it, but that's the
> way OEM licensing is. It sounds like you want to have your cake and
> eat it too.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVPhttp://vpc.essjae.com/
> I do not work for Microsoft.
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In article
,
wrote:

> I am not "whining" I am simply highlighting the very
> inadequate service offered by Microsoft in this part of the world! Is
> it any wonder that the vast majority of PCs are sold without licensed
> software in this part of the world? I accept the legal restrictions
> and will in all probability make the effort to obtain another licensed
> copy of Windows XP.

You may have to do what I heard is the solution to your problem in
Tiawan.
There they can't buy a new legal copy of the Windows installer, but they
take their PC to a local dealer who installs it for them.
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In article ,
bearboat.TakeThisOut@officeformac.com wrote:

> Virtual PC will not run on an Intel mac. It is a discontinued product as far
> as Microsoft is concerned. I do not have a problem with this. I simply think
> that it would be courteous of Microsoft to explain clearly the licensing
> situation to their customers and to offer some options. Obviously, at the
> time I bought Virtual PC with Windows XP, neither Microsoft nor myself could
> have anticipated Apple’s decision to go to Intel. <br><br>You cannot upgrade
> your license to Windows XP that came with Virtual PC to one that is useable
> with an Intel mac. I had hoped that Microsoft would allow me to use my
> Windows XP license on my Intel mac but they do not. They are not particularly
> forthcoming about this situation, and it took considerable time and effort
> and actually some money on my part to determine this. I sent an email
> question (which was supposed to cost $35 but I do not know yet whether my
> Visa I was actually charged) and never got a response. When I found the
> appropriate Microsoft telephone number I spoke to a representative who was
> apparently not clear about this situation who asked me to fax images of the
> disks that I owned etc. This process had to be repeated because the fax that
> I sent from a commercial service was not clear enough. After all this,
> despite promises, Microsoft never got back to me. <br><br>Eventually, I
> called again and it was made clear that they are offering no discount on a
> purchase of a “retail” version of XP to someone who got caught up in this
> situation with Virtual PC despite that customer owning a copy of XP that was
> bundled with Virtual PC. Because of my dealing with many other software
> companies, I had expected that Microsoft would offer some kind of upgrade
> path under such circumstances. Most companies that I work with do this to
> maintain good relations with their customers and to encourage their customers
> to stay with their product line in some other capacity. No other software
> product that I own has provided absolutely no upgrade option in a like
> situation.
From your experiences it appears MS has no policy on this situation and
simply hopes the situation will die with time.
Since there is very little in it for MS, it's a tiny problem in the BIG
MS world, they probably don't want to invest time and money on the
problem and are just letting the VPC-Win users do what they want.
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On Jan 17, 5:51 pm, Mac G wrote:
> In article ,
>
>
>
>
>
> bearb....DeleteThis@officeformac.com wrote:
> > Virtual PC will not run on an Intel mac. It is a discontinued product as far
> > as Microsoft is concerned. I do not have a problem with this. I simply think
> > that it would be courteous of Microsoft to explain clearly the licensing
> > situation to their customers and to offer some options. Obviously, at the
> > time I bought Virtual PC with Windows XP, neither Microsoft nor myself could
> > have anticipated Apple's decision to go to Intel. <br><br>You cannot upgrade
> > your license to Windows XP that came with Virtual PC to one that is useable
> > with an Intel mac. I had hoped that Microsoft would allow me to use my
> > Windows XP license on my Intel mac but they do not. They are not particularly
> > forthcoming about this situation, and it took considerable time and effort
> > and actually some money on my part to determine this. I sent an email
> > question (which was supposed to cost $35 but I do not know yet whether my
> > Visa I was actually charged) and never got a response. When I found the
> > appropriate Microsoft telephone number I spoke to a representative who was
> > apparently not clear about this situation who asked me to fax images of the
> > disks that I owned etc. This process had to be repeated because the fax that
> > I sent from a commercial service was not clear enough. After all this,
> > despite promises, Microsoft never got back to me. <br><br>Eventually, I
> > called again and it was made clear that they are offering no discount on a
> > purchase of a "retail" version of XP to someone who got caught up in this
> > situation with Virtual PC despite that customer owning a copy of XP that was
> > bundled with Virtual PC. Because of my dealing with many other software
> > companies, I had expected that Microsoft would offer some kind of upgrade
> > path under such circumstances. Most companies that I work with do this to
> > maintain good relations with their customers and to encourage their customers
> > to stay with their product line in some other capacity. No other software
> > product that I own has provided absolutely no upgrade option in a like
> > situation.
>
> From your experiences it appears MS has no policy on this situation and
> simply hopes the situation will die with time.
> Since there is very little in it for MS, it's a tiny problem in the BIG
> MS world, they probably don't want to invest time and money on the
> problem and are just letting the VPC-Win users do what they want.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



Microsoft has a very CLEAR and PRECISE policy on this issue.

The 'problem' is that people are not happy with the answer so they
start to put their own spin on it and try to justify their opinions
with 'I read somewhere', 'I believe', 'Someone told me'.

In a nutshell...........

You may use the version of Windows that came bundled with VPC for Mac
for use within the VPC for Mac environment ONLY.

Microsoft does NOT offer any deals or discounts to people who have
upgraded to Intel Mac computers and no longer need VPC for Mac.

How much clearer do you want it to be???????/
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In article
,
Paul Power wrote:

> Microsoft has a very CLEAR and PRECISE policy on this issue.
>
> The 'problem' is that people are not happy with the answer so they
> start to put their own spin on it and try to justify their opinions
> with 'I read somewhere', 'I believe', 'Someone told me'.
>
> In a nutshell...........
>
> You may use the version of Windows that came bundled with VPC for Mac
> for use within the VPC for Mac environment ONLY.
>
> Microsoft does NOT offer any deals or discounts to people who have
> upgraded to Intel Mac computers and no longer need VPC for Mac.

according to reader contributions to macintouch, they do.
<http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/office2008/index.html>

I upgraded two of our users from XP Pro in Virtual PC, to full Boot
Camp versions. I did this by contacting Microsoft and explaining the
situation and they let me buy genuine XP Pro CDs for just the cost of
shipping and handling. (I paid UK? but it would have been something
like $15-$20.)

When I ditched Virtual PC because of it's lack of further development,
I asked myself the same question. I called Microsoft. They happily sent
me an "unbundled" installation disc for XP and to the best of my
recollection, all I had to do was pay a very small shipping charge.

> How much clearer do you want it to be???????/

it'd be nice if it was accurate.
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