LaserWriter Pro and Leopard

In article <1ict7eu.4pyji810x3mlpN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>,
mikePOST DeleteThis @TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> HC <do DeleteThis @not.have> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone here gotten a LaserWriter to work in Leopard?
>
> You would be much better off specifying which LaserWriter model you're
> using, telling us whether you were previously printing to it in an older
> Mac OS X version, and describing exactly what happens when you try in
> Leopard.

I'm trying to save everyone time. I've been to the Apple discussion
groups and no one there can get any Laserwriter to work in Leopard. I'm
just trying to find someone for whom it is working,

Thanks.
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HC wrote:

> > > Has anyone here gotten a LaserWriter to work in Leopard?

(Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> > You would be much better off specifying which LaserWriter
> > model you're using, telling us whether you were previously
> > printing to it in an older Mac OS X version, and describing
> > exactly what happens when you try in Leopard.

HC wrote:

> I'm trying to save everyone time. I've been to the Apple
> discussion groups and no one there can get any Laserwriter to
> work in Leopard. I'm just trying to find someone for whom it
> is working.

Barbarossa:

FWIW, I was told by the guy in charge of "microcomputing"
(and, yes, that's what it says in the job description) at UCSD
that Leopard no longer supports 'AppleTalk.' I¹m not sure what
this means, exactly, but that may be your problem.

I have three old Apple LaserWriter 16/600 PS printers that
connect via AAUI/Ethernet adapters to my various old Macs in
various places but I have not upgraded any to Leopard yet, so I
cannot speak to the "disappearance" of LaserWriters in Leopard.

One of the LWs at my wife's lab at work has suddenly stopped
showing up on her G4/10.4.11 and I do not yet know if the printer
Ethernet card has gone bad, or if there has been some change in
the server software.

I intend to connect the printer directly to the Mac via
Ethernet (bypassing the server) as soon as I can get to it. Yes,
I already tried three other working AAUI adapters.

These old printers worked great (and inexpensively) for a long
time but they are getting so old now that the internal rubber
parts like the rollers and feeds just can't push the paper
through anymore. Much as I would like to keep using them, the
expense of refurbishing these antiques would probably be
prohibitive compared to the cost of a new BW laser printer.
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HC <do DeleteThis @not.have> wrote:

> > You would be much better off specifying which LaserWriter model you're
> > using, telling us whether you were previously printing to it in an older
> > Mac OS X version, and describing exactly what happens when you try in
> > Leopard.
>
> I'm trying to save everyone time.

How are you saving everyone time by omitting important information? I've
already wasted time asking for it, now I've wasted more time checking
out the Apple discussion groups.

> I've been to the Apple discussion groups and no one there can get any
> Laserwriter to work in Leopard.

Huh??! That's simply not true. A number of people posted to say that
they're having issues with specific features with specific models.
They're able to print in general, though. Oh well, I've wasted enough
time on this.

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Barbarossa <whewitt RemoveThis @ucsd.edu> wrote:

> FWIW, I was told by the guy in charge of "microcomputing"
> (and, yes, that's what it says in the job description) at UCSD
> that Leopard no longer supports 'AppleTalk.' I'm not sure what
> this means, exactly, but that may be your problem.

Well, the fact is that Leopard _does_ support AppleTalk. It's right
there in the Network settings, as in most previous Mac OS X versions.
Maybe that guy is confused by the new layout in the Network panel.

People in the Apple discussion forums do, in fact, have various
LaserWriter models working in general with Leopard, but specific
features don't work correctly, suggesting to me there's an issue with at
least some PPDs.

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Barbarossa wrote:
>
> FWIW, I was told by the guy in charge of "microcomputing"
> (and, yes, that's what it says in the job description) at UCSD
> that Leopard no longer supports 'AppleTalk.' I¹m not sure what
> this means, exactly, but that may be your problem.

"AppleTalk", wrong. "LocalTalk", maybe.

A number of older machines dropped off the compatibility list when
Leopard was shipped. Off the top of my head none of the remaining
machines have the old ADB or even PS/2. Or classic serial ports
necessary for LocalTalk.

> These old printers worked great (and inexpensively) for a long
> time but they are getting so old now that the internal rubber
> parts like the rollers and feeds just can't push the paper
> through anymore. Much as I would like to keep using them, the
> expense of refurbishing these antiques would probably be
> prohibitive compared to the cost of a new BW laser printer.

I have been very pleased with my Brother HL-5250DN under MacOS.
Ethernet, Postscript (clone), and duplex printing for under $250.

Third-party toner reloads are $20 for 7,000 pages. The drum is supposed
to last 25,000 pages but appears to be cheaper these days to buy a
refurbished HL-5240 than to buy a new drum.

The 5240 is same print engine as 5250 but with lesser electronics.
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David Kelly <n4hhe.RemoveThis@Yahoo.com> wrote:

> Barbarossa wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, I was told by the guy in charge of "microcomputing"
> > (and, yes, that's what it says in the job description) at UCSD
> > that Leopard no longer supports 'AppleTalk.' I'm not sure what
> > this means, exactly, but that may be your problem.
>
> "AppleTalk", wrong. "LocalTalk", maybe.
>
> A number of older machines dropped off the compatibility list when
> Leopard was shipped. Off the top of my head none of the remaining
> machines have the old ADB or even PS/2. Or classic serial ports
> necessary for LocalTalk.

You're out by several generations. No version of Mac OS X has supported
LocalTalk. The serial ports on the beige G3 and earlier PowerBook G3
models were never supported by Mac OS X.

You can't offically run 10.3 or later on a Mac with LocalTalk capable
serial ports, so nothing has changed with 10.5 in this area. (In
principle it might be possible for XPostFacto to get 10.5 working on a
Beige G3 which has been upgraded with a G4 processor, but that's really
pushing it.)

AppleTalk over Ethernet or AirPort is fine under 10.5 (for printing and
name binding only) but it wouldn't surprise me if Apple decide to drop
it in 10.6. I'd be somewhat annoyed - my HP LaserJet 6MP is still
working fine, 11 years after I bought it. (I'm using it with a JetDirect
Ethernet print server, so I could use LPR instead.)

External ADB support may have been dropped in 10.5 (B&W G3 was the last
supported model which had it), but internal ADB is still supported for
older laptop models that use it for the keyboard and trackpad. No Mac
has used PS/2 ports. Some clones might have, but they were never
supported by Mac OS X.

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In article <1icx2cx.skemuj1ajhatbN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
dempson.RemoveThis@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

>
> AppleTalk over Ethernet or AirPort is fine under 10.5 (for printing and
> name binding only) but it wouldn't surprise me if Apple decide to drop
> it in 10.6. I'd be somewhat annoyed - my HP LaserJet 6MP is still
> working fine, 11 years after I bought it. (I'm using it with a JetDirect
> Ethernet print server, so I could use LPR instead.)
>

Me also: An hp LaserJet 6MP and two LaserWriter 12/640s, all
Ethernetted over Airport using various Farallon EtherPrint adaptors, and
all apparently prepared to run just fine forever.

If anyone has further knowledge about these becoming unsupported beyond
10.4, that will be further reason for my never upgrading beyond that
point.
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In article <siegman-8CA60D.16553425022008.DeleteThis@nntp.stanford.edu>,
AES <siegman.DeleteThis@stanford.edu> wrote:

> In article <1icx2cx.skemuj1ajhatbN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
> dempson.DeleteThis@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
>
> >
> > AppleTalk over Ethernet or AirPort is fine under 10.5 (for printing and
> > name binding only) but it wouldn't surprise me if Apple decide to drop
> > it in 10.6. I'd be somewhat annoyed - my HP LaserJet 6MP is still
> > working fine, 11 years after I bought it. (I'm using it with a JetDirect
> > Ethernet print server, so I could use LPR instead.)
> >
>
> Me also: An hp LaserJet 6MP and two LaserWriter 12/640s, all
> Ethernetted over Airport using various Farallon EtherPrint adaptors, and
> all apparently prepared to run just fine forever.
>
> If anyone has further knowledge about these becoming unsupported beyond
> 10.4, that will be further reason for my never upgrading beyond that
> point.

FYI: I talked with Apple technical support and they said the same thing
that other people here and in the Discussion point out: AppleTalk is an
option in Print and Fax setup and the LaserWriter Pro (in my case) file
is in the PPD Resources folder. But when it comes to choosing a
printer, no luck. The tech support person also said that I shouldn't
expect it to work but couldn't explain why, so we can make of that what
we may.
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