MTNW and a default newsrc?

AES <siegman RemoveThis @stanford.edu> wrote:
....
> * Clicking the "Send Email" icon and typing
> "someone.else@someplace.else" into the email address
>
> * Clicking the "Copy Self" icon, which sends a copy to
> "me@my.address"
>
> This all works as expected, emailing copies of the post to me RemoveThis @my.address
> and to someone.else RemoveThis @someplace.else -- except that the email message
> which actually arrives in _my_ own "me@my.address" email IN box has the
> header lines
>
> From: me RemoveThis @my.addres
> To: someone.else RemoveThis @someplace.else
>
> This seems weird . . . ? Glitch in MTNW? Glitch in email system? Or
> just the way the system works?

That seems quite ordinary to me - for any mailer. The term "copy"
implies a CC (carbon copy) instead of another "to" address. For a
self-copy, it is common to use BCC (blind carbon copy) so that the
address copied to doesn't show up. BCC also has other uses. Spammers use
it a lot, but then so do legitimate things.

The CC and BCC fields are standard features of mailers, and it sounds to
me like MTNW is using them in a way that is quite normal here. It isn't
the only way to do that, but it is a common and natural one.

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In article <1icuyb1.1doakpudiqzycN%nospam@see.signature>,
nospam.RemoveThis@see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote:

> AES <siegman.RemoveThis@stanford.edu> wrote:
> ...
> > * Clicking the "Send Email" icon and typing
> > "someone.else@someplace.else" into the email address
> >
> > * Clicking the "Copy Self" icon, which sends a copy to
> > "me@my.address"
> >
> > This all works as expected, emailing copies of the post to me.RemoveThis@my.address
> > and to someone.else.RemoveThis@someplace.else -- except that the email message
> > which actually arrives in _my_ own "me@my.address" email IN box has the
> > header lines
> >
> > From: me.RemoveThis@my.addres
> > To: someone.else.RemoveThis@someplace.else
> >
> > This seems weird . . . ? Glitch in MTNW? Glitch in email system? Or
> > just the way the system works?
>
> That seems quite ordinary to me - for any mailer. The term "copy"
> implies a CC (carbon copy) instead of another "to" address. For a
> self-copy, it is common to use BCC (blind carbon copy) so that the
> address copied to doesn't show up. BCC also has other uses. Spammers use
> it a lot, but then so do legitimate things.
>
> The CC and BCC fields are standard features of mailers, and it sounds to
> me like MTNW is using them in a way that is quite normal here. It isn't
> the only way to do that, but it is a common and natural one.

I think I see what you're saying: If I click both the "Send Email" and
"Copy Self" icons, the "Copy Self" message apparently becomes a CC: or
BCC: message derived from the "Send Email" message.

But if I click only the "Copy Self" icon and NOT the "Send Email" icon,
the "Copy Self" message becomes a "free-standing " message and behaves
differently.

That is, it goes out with (or at least, arrives in my email box with)
totally different headers than if I had also clicked the "Send Email"
icon. (I've just confirmed this experimentally).
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In article <gkreme-5E716D.08305125022008.TakeThisOut@news.giganews.com>,
Lewis <gkreme.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> I may be missing it, but I sure can't find it.
>
> Right now, to use MTNW, I have to open the saved newsrc file instead of
> opening the app. Opening the app starts it with a new, and empty newsrc.
>
> So, what am I missing?

I wasn't aware you ever dealt with a newsrc file directly with MTNW
unless you used the Special > Shared newsrc feature. How'd you get this
newsrc file to begin with?

For me, I use the Special > Shared newsrc feature to store a newsrc file
on an FTP server on my LAN. MTNW automatically retrieves it on launch,
and sends it on shutdown.

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In article <gkreme-89E91C.10084625022008.DeleteThis@news.giganews.com>,
Lewis <gkreme.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nope, I just get an empty news list. Where does MTNW store it's default
> file then?

In the prefs. When I get a list I like, I save it to ~/Documents and
drag it to the right-hand side of the Dock, then I click _that_ icon
instead of the application icon. This launches the app with that file.

I used to use that .newsrc thing when I was reading Gnus on my Linux
machine. It worked quite well.
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In article <gkreme-89E91C.10084625022008.DeleteThis@news.giganews.com>,
Lewis <gkreme.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <gkreme-226B19.10060825022008.DeleteThis@news.giganews.com>,
> Lewis <gkreme.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <jollyroger-863697.09424425022008.DeleteThis@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger.DeleteThis@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <gkreme-5E716D.08305125022008.DeleteThis@news.giganews.com>,
> > > Lewis <gkreme.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I may be missing it, but I sure can't find it.
> > > >
> > > > Right now, to use MTNW, I have to open the saved newsrc file instead of
> > > > opening the app. Opening the app starts it with a new, and empty
> > > > newsrc.
> > > >
> > > > So, what am I missing?
> > >
> > > I wasn't aware you ever dealt with a newsrc file directly with MTNW
> > > unless you used the Special > Shared newsrc feature. How'd you get this
> > > newsrc file to begin with?
> >
> > File -> Save
> >
> > > For me, I use the Special > Shared newsrc feature to store a newsrc file
> > > on an FTP server on my LAN. MTNW automatically retrieves it on launch,
> > > and sends it on shutdown.
> >
> > Hmm... I copied the 'Giganews' file to ~/.newsrc, we'll see if that
> > works.
>
> Nope, I just get an empty news list. Where does MTNW store it's default
> file then?

I would think wherever you specified in Preferences > Saving Files >
User group lists.

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In article <fputgp$bbd$1@news.mixmin.net>,
Warren Oates <warren.oates RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > Nope, I just get an empty news list. Where does MTNW store it's default
> > file then?
>


FROM THE ONLINE MANUAL: [I TAKE THIS -- AND APPARENT LACK OF ANY
MENTION OF A DEFAULT FILE ELSEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENTATION -- AS IMPLYING
THAT MTNW SIMPLY DOES NOT _HAVE_ A "DEFAULT FILE" (?)]

User Group List Files

This is your user group list file. You double-click this file to run the
program when you want to read the news. This file records your list of
subscribed groups. It also keeps track of which articles you have read
in each of your subscribed groups. On a private Mac, you can put this
file anywhere you wish. Many people like to keep it in their main
window, on the desktop, or in their Apple Menu Items folder for
convenient access. You can give this file any name you wish. You can
also create multiple user group list files if you wish. On a shared Mac,
your user group list files must be in your personal NewsWatcher folder.
On a lab Mac, your user group list files must be on your personal
NewsWatcher floppy disk.

User group list files are stored in standard "UNIX .newsrc" format. You
can open the file with a text editor or word processor if you want to
see this information. This is rarely necessary, however.
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In article <siegman-097BE7.08053025022008 RemoveThis @nntp.stanford.edu>,
AES <siegman RemoveThis @stanford.edu> wrote:

> After reading a post in MTNW, I can forward copies of it to myself and
> someone else, without replying to the newsgoup itself, by:
>
> * Selecting Reply (Cmd-R);
>
> * Unclicking the MTNW "Post News" icon;
>
> * Clicking the "Send Email" icon and typing
> "someone.else@someplace.else" into the email address

Why these three steps rather than using Forward (Cmd-K)?

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In article <siegman-F07D29.09330025022008.TakeThisOut@nntp.stanford.edu>,
AES <siegman.TakeThisOut@stanford.edu> wrote:

> I think I see what you're saying: If I click both the "Send Email" and
> "Copy Self" icons, the "Copy Self" message apparently becomes a CC: or
> BCC: message derived from the "Send Email" message.
>
> But if I click only the "Copy Self" icon and NOT the "Send Email" icon,
> the "Copy Self" message becomes a "free-standing " message and behaves
> differently.
>
> That is, it goes out with (or at least, arrives in my email box with)
> totally different headers than if I had also clicked the "Send Email"
> icon. (I've just confirmed this experimentally).

In the first case, there's already an email being sent, so it's simple
for it to add yourself as a BCC.

In the second case, there isn't an email being sent, just a news
posting. So the self-copy has to be a separate message. While it's
legal to send a message with no visible recipients and only BCC's, many
people would find it confusing, and some anti-spam filters are likely to
trigger on it.

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In article <gkreme-891166.10583225022008.DeleteThis@news.giganews.com>,
Lewis <gkreme.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <fputgp$bbd$1@news.mixmin.net>,
> Warren Oates <warren.oates.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <gkreme-89E91C.10084625022008.DeleteThis@news.giganews.com>,
> > Lewis <gkreme.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Nope, I just get an empty news list. Where does MTNW store it's default
> > > file then?
> >
> > In the prefs. When I get a list I like, I save it to ~/Documents and
> > drag it to the right-hand side of the Dock, then I click _that_ icon
> > instead of the application icon. This launches the app with that file.
>
> Yep, that's what I am doing. I'd prefer it if MTNW just opened the file
> on launch.

Go to Preferences and look at the first item under Saving Files.
Basically, you can set a folder and tell MTNW to open saved group files
in that folder whenever you start the application.

Or have I missed something?

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