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No One

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:02 am
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I've been thinking about the Mac Pro but noticed that the video options
available are pretty much at the bottom of each of their respective
categories. Is the video upgradable via any off the shelf PCI-e card or
does one have to buy a special "Mac" version? For instance, would an
nVidia 8800 board work fine in it.

For that matter, why does Apple sell memory upgrades at twice the price
Kingston does?

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Gregory Weston1

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:42 am
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No One wrote:

> For that matter, why does Apple sell memory upgrades at twice the price
> Kingston does?

Mostly because Apple doesn't (and can't, responsibly) buy memory
on-demand at current prices. Like every other system vendor, they buy
memory on extended contracts that are negotiated with one or more RAM
suppliers. Since the price of RAM *generally* drops, their contract
prices are rarely better than what consumers can get the day they
actually need it.

On rare occasions, Apple does offer a better price on an upgrade than an
after-market vendor does, and for some people, the cost of their time
makes Apple's premium smaller than the cost of doing it themselves with
RAM that's cheaper up-front.

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Giovanni Azua

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:41 am
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hi,

I was thinking of buying a new Mac Pro too but discarded the
idea precisely for this very same reason i.e. their handful very
limited supported set of video cards. Opted to stay with my
Dell Precision 670 and upgrade it.

When I investigated it turned out that is not a hardware incompatibility
e.g. the 8800 would fit the PCIe and even work from e.g. Windows XP
booted from Boot Camp, the problem is that Mac OS would not
recognize such card and not boot... it is a Mac OS drivers issue
AFAIK. I even remember reading that someone was kept switching
two video cards all the time. It is really a shame on such a big
player and successful monster like Apple.

Regards,
Giovanni

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> I've been thinking about the Mac Pro but noticed that the video options
> available are pretty much at the bottom of each of their respective
> categories. Is the video upgradable via any off the shelf PCI-e card or
> does one have to buy a special "Mac" version? For instance, would an
> nVidia 8800 board work fine in it.
>
> For that matter, why does Apple sell memory upgrades at twice the price
> Kingston does?
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The New Guy

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:26 am
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> I've been thinking about the Mac Pro but noticed that the video options
> available are pretty much at the bottom of each of their respective
> categories. Is the video upgradable via any off the shelf PCI-e card or
> does one have to buy a special "Mac" version? For instance, would an
> nVidia 8800 board work fine in it.

Its possible to do that with some PCI video cards for the G4 towers
and I've heard its possible to run several PCI-E cards in the Mac Pro.
Google is your friend. Keep searching and you should find a few. And
save a ton.

> For that matter, why does Apple sell memory upgrades at twice the price
> Kingston does?

Because a lot of Apple buyers seem to be lobotomized before they go
shopping. I've never seen a more totally uninformed shopping
demographic in my life. Compare ram and hard drive prices when
configuring your Mac Pro compared to tigerdirect or newegg. You'd
think Apple was on a different planet. The key to getting the best
performance, most reliability at the lowest cost is to buy the rock
bottom version of the Mac Pro ($2200 new now I think) new or used (duh
- used I guess if you can find one) then upgrade the processor, video
card, ram and hard drives as they become available used. That Xeon
CPU is the headache. Everything else is very easy to upgrade. But
even Xeons plummet in price over time. Just make sure you can sell
your old one otherwise the cost of upgrading it will be rather
significant. Now if Apple got their head out of the sand and made a
Mac Mini-Pro with non-ECC, non-FB-Dimms running at 800mnz (like most
of the modern thinking world uses as they are so dirt cheap and offer
such great performance), that would cut the memory costs by about half
or more, then offer a Socket 775 motherboard that runs cheap but great
performing dual and quad core CPU's, and have a motherboard with built
on video (since this obviously costs the manufacturer almost zip and
can be conveniently used for an additional lower quality monitor in a
multi monitor setup and aiding Apple in additional monitor sales) and
at least a couple of PCI-E and PCI slots (for more additional Apple
sales as they could sell a slew of add-on cards), you'd have a machine
that would dwarf the Mac Pro sales as it would appeal to an immense
audience hungering for something between the Mini and the Mac Pro that
realizes how absurdly shortsighted it is buying an "all-in-one"
computer because when that screen goes, you're totally screwed. We'll
see in early January if Apple wakes up or keeps on sleeping. They
seem to be one stubborn company so its my bet they will leave that
gaping hole in their model line as wide as ever. Hope I'm wrong
though.
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Shawn H.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:58 am
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In article ,
No One wrote:

> I've been thinking about the Mac Pro but noticed that the video options
> available are pretty much at the bottom of each of their respective
> categories. Is the video upgradable via any off the shelf PCI-e card or
> does one have to buy a special "Mac" version? For instance, would an
> nVidia 8800 board work fine in it.
>
> For that matter, why does Apple sell memory upgrades at twice the price
> Kingston does?

Because enough people are willing to pay the price.
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Jon Harrop

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:36 pm
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Giovanni Azua wrote:
> hi,
>
> I was thinking of buying a new Mac Pro too but discarded the
> idea precisely for this very same reason i.e. their handful very
> limited supported set of video cards. Opted to stay with my
> Dell Precision 670 and upgrade it.
>
> When I investigated it turned out that is not a hardware incompatibility
> e.g. the 8800 would fit the PCIe and even work from e.g. Windows XP

Yes, you must run one of the major operating systems like FreeBSD. ;-)

> booted from Boot Camp, the problem is that Mac OS would not
> recognize such card and not boot... it is a Mac OS drivers issue
> AFAIK.

I believe some people who tried it also fried their Mac Pro PSUs, which
simply aren't powerful enough to run modern graphics hardware.

> I even remember reading that someone was kept switching
> two video cards all the time. It is really a shame on such a big
> player and successful monster like Apple.

Yes, we are interested in creating software for Mac OS X users so we
recently got our first Mac. We studied the specs and decided that the Mac
Pro is a complete waste of money for exactly the same reason. So we just
got a Mac Mini instead: cheap machine that also has poor graphics.

This means the difference between us pioneering new software for Mac OS X
and just doing legacy ports. Shame.

--
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/?u
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Ingo Paschke

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:35 pm
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Jon Harrop wrote:

> I believe some people who tried it also fried their Mac Pro PSUs, which
> simply aren't powerful enough to run modern graphics hardware.

Yeah, sure. The Mac Pro's power supply is just rated at 1000W. That's
just pathetic, no wonder it can't take a halfway decent graphics card :-).

Ingo.
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stevephillips79




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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:50 am
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