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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:11:04 +0000 (UTC), Brian <bl.TakeThisOut@fake.com> wrote:

 >Greg R <webworm11.TakeThisOut@lycos.com> wrote:
  >> What is the power supply wattage of the Mini-macs?
  >> Both models.
 >
 >85W external power supply.
 >
  >> If you use a Linux system. How would you install linux on the
  >> mini-mac without losing your data?
 >
 >You want to dual boot? Not sure. Maybe someone else can answer this.
 >
 >I have to ask ... why? SuSe was a bitch to install on my iBook 500.
 >In the end, the answer that made the most sense is: OSX is why you
 >buy Apple.
 >
  >> Thank you for this info.
 >
 >
  >> Greg Rozelle


So, your saying macox is a linux.

I thinking of unburta-something is one.


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correct post

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:11:04 +0000 (UTC), Brian <bl RemoveThis @fake.com> wrote:

 >Greg R <webworm11 RemoveThis @lycos.com> wrote:
  >> What is the power supply wattage of the Mini-macs?
  >> Both models.
 >
 >85W external power supply.
 >
  >> If you use a Linux system. How would you install linux on the
  >> mini-mac without losing your data?
 >
 >You want to dual boot? Not sure. Maybe someone else can answer this.
 >
 >I have to ask ... why? SuSe was a bitch to install on my iBook 500.
 >In the end, the answer that made the most sense is: OSX is why you
 >buy Apple.
 >
  >> Thank you for this info.
 >
 >
  >> Greg Rozelle


So, your saying macox is a linux.

I thinking of trying the unburta on the mini-mac

Sorry about the spelling. Not sure how name is actual spelled


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   >>>If you use a Linux system. How would you install linux on the
   >>>mini-mac without losing your data?
  >>
  >>You want to dual boot? Not sure. Maybe someone else can answer this.
  >>
  >>I have to ask ... why? SuSe was a bitch to install on my iBook 500.
  >>In the end, the answer that made the most sense is: OSX is why you
  >>buy Apple.
 >
 > So, your saying macox is a linux.

There are similarities. If you want a mini and are not sure if you can
learn OSX, it's really worth looking into.

By the way, using an external firewire drive as your Linux install
drive, and booting from that, is a possibility. That way you can leave
the internal disc untouched while you experiment.

 > I thinking of trying the unburta on the mini-mac
 >
 > Sorry about the spelling. Not sure how name is actual spelled

I know which one you're talking about but am not familiar with it. Your
best bet is to do a search for "Linux for PPC" and read the FAQs on the
distro-specific sites.

I've thought about doing it, but more as an experiment rather than
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In article <1108752497.27687882da7014b46d98960c90d50ded@teranews>,
Greg R <webworm11.DeleteThis@lycos.com> wrote:

 > So, your saying macox is a linux.

No, it isn't. But both Mac OS-X and Linux are Unixes (or anyway, unix
variants/derivatives). That is, you might say that Mac OS-X and Linux
are siblings.

If you are just looking for any Unix derivative for the Mac, might as
well at least try out OS-X first. It comes with the system anyway, so
you might as well try it first, even if you end up wiping it out for a
Linux install.

If you have specific requirements for a particular distribution, then
that's a different matter. It does happen. Or if you just like a
particular distribution, that's fine also.

But frankly, if you needed to ask questions like whether OS-X was a
Linux, then I doubt you have enough experience in such matters to worry
about the details of the differences.

I'm afraid that I've never heard of the "unburta" that you mention, and
neither has google. But I think one caution is in order...

If you need to run some application listed as being available for Linux,
you had better explicitly check that it is available for Linux on PPC
(the CPU type used by the Mac). If it just says "Linux" without
qualification, it very likely means just x86-based Linuxes, which means
that it won't run t all on a Mac (except under something like Virtual
PC, but that's quite an extra complication and would be a strange way to
go if that's all you wanted the Mac for).

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articular distribution, that's fine also.
 >
 >But frankly, if you needed to ask questions like whether OS-X was a
 >Linux, then I doubt you have enough experience in such matters to worry
 >about the details of the differences.


I was reading the Linux has distributions for the macOS.
I am also curious as to how a Linux distro can install on the
Mac-since the hardware is owned by apple?


I really want a quiet power supply. I am really looking for an oses
besides windows that can run a version of outlook express and Forte
Free Agent that is more secure.


I know you can get an older version of outlook express for the Mac.



Here what I was talking about. Yes, I ordered the free cds.

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In article <1108761176.446c0293bd4b2fe160d496d5ddab8ce6@teranews>,
Greg R <webworm11.TakeThisOut@lycos.com> wrote:

 > I am also curious as to how a Linux distro can install on the
 > Mac-since the hardware is owned by apple?

No, the hardware isn't owned by apple. I bought and own my own.
Perhaps you mean something about the design of the hardware? Hard to
tell. "The hardware is owned by apple" doesn't make sense.

 > I am really looking for an oses
 > besides windows that can run a version of outlook express and Forte
 > Free Agent that is more secure....
 > I know you can get an older version of outlook express for the Mac.

If you actually want outlook express and Forte Free Agent on a
non-Windows OS, you are mostly out of luck. Free Agent is Windows only.
I had forgotten there was a Mac version of outlook express, but I'll
believe you that there used to be. However, even if there was a Mac
version, it would have been for some particular operating system; you
can't take something make for one OS and run it on a completely
different one just because the same hardware is involved.

Except that it makes so little sense that I suspect you meant something
other than what you said.

If you just mean that you want something that can replace outlook
express and Forte Free Agent for you, that's a completely different
matter. That would be wanting an email reader and a news reader. There
are plenty of those on most current systems. In particular, yes, such
things are available in Mac OS-X and in every Linux distribution.

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Greg R <webworm11 RemoveThis @lycos.com> writes:

 > I was reading the Linux has distributions for the macOS.
 >I am also curious as to how a Linux distro can install on the
 >Mac-since the hardware is owned by apple?


You may be interested in Debian Linux on the Mac mini:

  http://www.sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/

You can easily dual-boot between Linux and OSX, or even run Linux and OSX
at the same time:

  http://www.maconlinux.org/

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You can buy a partitioned dual boot Mini with Linux and OS X
pre-installed, and it won't cost you a penny extra.

<http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/apple/>

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Greg R schrieb:
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 > I thinking of trying the unburta on the mini-mac
 >
 > Sorry about the spelling. Not sure how name is actual spelled

Are you referring to Ubuntu?

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In article <1108745129.bcce67332627f1de82260927ea075ada@teranews>,
Greg R <webworm11.RemoveThis@lycos.com> wrote:

 > What is the power supply wattage of the Mini-macs?
 > Both models.
 >
 > If you use a Linux system. How would you install linux on the
 > mini-mac without losing your data?
 >
 >
 > Thank you for this info.
 >
 >
 > Greg Rozelle

I am a little mystified by messages in this thread. Here is my attempt
to answer somme of the issues raised, and provide what I hope is useful
information.

MacOS X is BSD Unix with a graphical user interface (GUI). It is quite a
good, stable system.

You can also get directly to the Unix Command Line interface using a
built-in feature of OS X, bypassing the GUI.

Linux is a variant of Unix.

Versions of Linux are available that will run on Mac hardware.

Application programs that will run on Mac Linux should be pretty
portable to Mac OS X.

Mac OS X comes with a bunch of built-in application programs, including
a web browser, email, text processing, photo management, and many
others, and numerous additional application programs are available for
purchase from Apple and other vendors. These are excellent software
programs.

The Mac hardware, which is based on the PowerPC family of processors, is
quite different from PCs that are based on the Intel x86 family of
processors or variants thereof. An application program that will run on
one hardware platform may not necessarily run on the other, even if they
are both using some variant of Unix.

Microsoft Outlook Express is available for Macintosh, has been for
years, and still is, if you want to use that.

Bill

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Greg R wrote:
 > I am really looking for an oses
 > besides windows that can run a version of outlook express and Forte
 > Free Agent that is more secure.

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In article <1108745129.bcce67332627f1de82260927ea075ada@teranews>,
Greg R <webworm11.DeleteThis@lycos.com> wrote:

 > What is the power supply wattage of the Mini-macs?
 > Both models.

In another reply you mentioned you wanted a quiet power supply. The Mac
mini power supply is an external power brick, so it will most likely be
on the floor and will not be making noise as it does not have a fan.

The Mac mini fan most likely will not go on unless you are doing heavy
disk activity and heavy duty CPU number crunching causing the box to get
warm.

 > If you use a Linux system. How would you install linux on the
 > mini-mac without losing your data?

I do not think anyone has mentioned that if you intent to dual-boot your
Mac mini, then as soon as you get it and before you start putting your
own data on it, you might want to partition the disk so you have a Mac
OS X partition and a Linux partition.

Using the Mac OS X installer CD's, you should be able to run "Disk
Utility" from the menu, and then partition your disk.

Now you can use the installation CD's to re-install Mac OS X and all the
software included with the Mac mini onto one of the partitions. The
other partition you can then use for installing Linux.

If you do not do this soon after you get your Mac mini, then it is
likely you will accumulate personal data on your disk and any attempt to
re-partition it later would result in destroying that personal data,
unless you took the trouble to save it some way.

Bob Harris

 > Thank you for this info.
 >
 >
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Thank You All,

I just a little confused

I thought everything in the apple computer is propriety and could not
be modified unless authorized by apple. It used to be that way.
I guess things have changed at apple


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