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LuvMacs

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:45 pm
Post subject: I am SO PISSED! THREE Firewire Drives HOSED!
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Just upgraded to Panther this weekend and had absolutely NO idea about
problems with some external Firewire drives and Panther!

I have 3 external Firewire drives. One is Firewire 400 drive and other
are pre-Firewire 400 (not sure what they're considered)

None are the 800 drives that firmware is available for.

After problem began and I went online to investigate, and only then
found out about this incompatibility problem.

I tried mounting the drives on my old Powerbook and none of them will
mount there!

So it appears now all three of my External Firewire drives are
completely HOSED!

One is only a just a few months old!!!

Does anyone know if after experiencing this Panther problem if the
drives can even be repaired???

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Steve W. Jackson

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:14 pm
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In article <LuvMacs-53E6C2.12453415022004.TakeThisOut@news.newsguy.com>,
LuvMacs <LuvMacs.TakeThisOut@MacsRule.mac> wrote:

:> Just upgraded to Panther this weekend and had absolutely NO idea about
:> problems with some external Firewire drives and Panther!
:>
:> I have 3 external Firewire drives. One is Firewire 400 drive and other
:> are pre-Firewire 400 (not sure what they're considered)
:>
:> None are the 800 drives that firmware is available for.
:>
:> After problem began and I went online to investigate, and only then
:> found out about this incompatibility problem.
:>
:> I tried mounting the drives on my old Powerbook and none of them will
:> mount there!
:>
:> So it appears now all three of my External Firewire drives are
:> completely HOSED!
:>
:> One is only a just a few months old!!!
:>
:> Does anyone know if after experiencing this Panther problem if the
:> drives can even be repaired???

There is no "pre-Firewire 400". The original FireWire standard was 400
and just not called that. It's now become common practice to
distinguish between them by putting 400 or 800 after the name.

I haven't, to my recollection, seen ANY reports of this problem
occurring with anything except FireWire 800 drives. And even then, the
problem can supposedly be prevented by not restarting your Mac with one
of them connected -- always connect after restart. In addition, all
reports I've heard seem to indicate that the disk itself is not in any
damaged, only that the data is corrupted. That's why it won't mount on
your older system -- until you reinitialize it. In fact, Panther can
reinitialize them just fine. Just be sure, if you really think it's
behind the problems, to unmount and disconnect them before you shut down.

You might want to visit macintouch.com and search their Panther reports
for information. It seems to have a lot of helpful information.

= Steve =
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Charles Dyer

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:56 pm
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:45:35 -0500, LuvMacs wrote
(in message <LuvMacs-53E6C2.12453415022004.TakeThisOut@news.newsguy.com>):

 > Just upgraded to Panther this weekend and had absolutely NO idea about
 > problems with some external Firewire drives and Panther!
 >
 > I have 3 external Firewire drives. One is Firewire 400 drive and other
 > are pre-Firewire 400 (not sure what they're considered)

no such animal.

 >
 > None are the 800 drives that firmware is available for.

LaCie has firmware for both 400 and 800.
<http://www.lacie.com/support/drivers/>

OWC, ditto. < <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://eshop.macsales.com/Tech/index.cfm?load=firewire.html" target="_blank">http://eshop.macsales.com/Tech/index.cfm?load=firewire.html</a>>

I'm sure that most others have done the same.

 >
 > After problem began and I went online to investigate, and only then
 > found out about this incompatibility problem.

which effectively does not exist for FW400s. I have, running right now, on my
personal system:

1 a 120 GB Seagate drive in a no-name Chinese made FW400 case

2 a 80 GB Western Digital FW400 unit

3 a 120 GB Maxtor drive in a no-name Taiwanese made FW400 case

The Seagate is my boot drive for this machine. The other two are,
respectively, the fixit drive I haul around to attend to home and office
machines which need fixing, and backup for the boot drive. I have multiple
FW400 units attached to machines at the office, mostly LaCie 200s. I have OS
X 10.3.2 installed on all three FW drives, and on the internal drive in the
Mac. Most of the office machines have 10.3.2 as well. (Some still have 10.2.8
or 10.2.6 for sheer laziness reasons.) We have _never_ lost _even one_ drive
to this alleged bug. We _have_ had drives go south for other reasons, dating
back to OS X 10.0.x.

 >
 > I tried mounting the drives on my old Powerbook and none of them will
 > mount there!

That's because the directory is history.

 >
 > So it appears now all three of my External Firewire drives are
 > completely HOSED!

You can recover the data using Data Rescue, so long as you don't screw things
up by poking around first.

 >
 > One is only a just a few months old!!!

Age matters not.

 >
 > Does anyone know if after experiencing this Panther problem if the
 > drives can even be repaired???

Recover the data and reformat. Or just reformat.



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simples_it1

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:19 am
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In article <LuvMacs-53E6C2.12453415022004.TakeThisOut@news.newsguy.com>, LuvMacs
<LuvMacs.TakeThisOut@MacsRule.mac> wrote:

 > Just upgraded to Panther this weekend and had absolutely NO idea about
 > problems with some external Firewire drives and Panther!
 >
 > I have 3 external Firewire drives. One is Firewire 400 drive and other
 > are pre-Firewire 400 (not sure what they're considered)
 >
 > None are the 800 drives that firmware is available for.
 >
 > After problem began and I went online to investigate, and only then
 > found out about this incompatibility problem.
 >
 > I tried mounting the drives on my old Powerbook and none of them will
 > mount there!
 >
 > So it appears now all three of my External Firewire drives are
 > completely HOSED!
 >
 > One is only a just a few months old!!!
 >
 > Does anyone know if after experiencing this Panther problem if the
 > drives can even be repaired???

Have you tried to see if the computer can see them using System
Profiler?

Rob.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:23 am
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In article <LuvMacs-53E6C2.12453415022004 RemoveThis @news.newsguy.com>,
LuvMacs <LuvMacs RemoveThis @MacsRule.mac> wrote:

 > Just upgraded to Panther this weekend and had absolutely NO idea about
 > problems with some external Firewire drives and Panther!
 >
 > I have 3 external Firewire drives. One is Firewire 400 drive and other
 > are pre-Firewire 400 (not sure what they're considered)
 >
 > None are the 800 drives that firmware is available for.
 >
 > After problem began and I went online to investigate, and only then
 > found out about this incompatibility problem.
 >
 > I tried mounting the drives on my old Powerbook and none of them will
 > mount there!
 >
 > So it appears now all three of my External Firewire drives are
 > completely HOSED!
 >
 > One is only a just a few months old!!!
 >
 > Does anyone know if after experiencing this Panther problem if the
 > drives can even be repaired???

If you were stupid enough to not do you homework BEFORE you upgraded,
then you got what you deserved. No one is to blame but YOU. This has
been a known issue since Panther shipped.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:47 am
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In article <LuvMacs-53E6C2.12453415022004.TakeThisOut@news.newsguy.com>,
LuvMacs <LuvMacs.TakeThisOut@MacsRule.mac> wrote:

 > Just upgraded to Panther this weekend and had absolutely NO idea about
 > problems with some external Firewire drives and Panther!
 >

I feel bad that you lost your data. But this problem is so well
documented that you have only yourself to blame.

Rule number 1 for doing any OS upgrade is to read the newsgroup archives
to see if there are any known problems. Blindly installing anything is
always dangerous.

Allowing an OS upgrade to corrupt data is a bad mark for Apple. But you
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:00 am
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LuvMacs wrote:

 > Just upgraded to Panther this weekend and had absolutely NO idea about
 > problems with some external Firewire drives and Panther!
 >
 > I have 3 external Firewire drives. One is Firewire 400 drive and other
 > are pre-Firewire 400 (not sure what they're considered)
 >
 > None are the 800 drives that firmware is available for.
 >
 > After problem began and I went online to investigate, and only then
 > found out about this incompatibility problem.
 >
 > I tried mounting the drives on my old Powerbook and none of them will
 > mount there!

It's extremely unlikely that your Panther upgrade caused this. Check the
connections. Try them on another machine. Leave out the caps.

John McWilliams<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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P M Evans

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:21 am
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I had a problem but was able to trace it to a conflict with my iDisk
being set up to have a local copy. Once I disable that and trashed the
copy problems went away. To fix the drive, I had to boot into OS 9,
then I was able to use DiskWarrior to repair the drive. I didn't lose
any data.


In article <LuvMacs-53E6C2.12453415022004.RemoveThis@news.newsguy.com>, LuvMacs
<LuvMacs.RemoveThis@MacsRule.mac> wrote:

 > Just upgraded to Panther this weekend and had absolutely NO idea about
 > problems with some external Firewire drives and Panther!
 >
 > I have 3 external Firewire drives. One is Firewire 400 drive and other
 > are pre-Firewire 400 (not sure what they're considered)
 >
 > None are the 800 drives that firmware is available for.
 >
 > After problem began and I went online to investigate, and only then
 > found out about this incompatibility problem.
 >
 > I tried mounting the drives on my old Powerbook and none of them will
 > mount there!
 >
 > So it appears now all three of my External Firewire drives are
 > completely HOSED!
 >
 > One is only a just a few months old!!!
 >
 > Does anyone know if after experiencing this Panther problem if the
 > drives can even be repaired???<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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LuvMacs

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:31 pm
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To update what progress I've made with my firewire drives...the drives
apparently are not hosed after all.

When I hook them up individually to Powerbook (running Panther) they
mount and I do not get any error msgs saying they had been improperly
put away and they no longer seem to be behaving oddly.

I've always run the three of them chained to one another and up until
Sunday, I had not seen this problem occur.

I suspect perhaps there may be a bad firewire cable involved and by
process of elimination, I hope to determine which one it might be...IF
that is/was the problem.

Needless to say, I was quite relieved when I was able to get to all the
drives individually. Let them run for hours and the problem I previously
saw never occurred again.

I sincerely appreciate all those who responded in a considerate, helpful
manner and hope you have a great day!
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:30 pm
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In article <LuvMacs-50A70A.09313616022004 DeleteThis @news.newsguy.com>, LuvMacs
<LuvMacs DeleteThis @MacsRule.mac> wrote:

 > To update what progress I've made with my firewire drives...the drives
 > apparently are not hosed after all.
 >
 > When I hook them up individually to Powerbook (running Panther) they
 > mount and I do not get any error msgs saying they had been improperly
 > put away and they no longer seem to be behaving oddly.
 >
 > I've always run the three of them chained to one another and up until
 > Sunday, I had not seen this problem occur.
 >
 > I suspect perhaps there may be a bad firewire cable involved and by
 > process of elimination, I hope to determine which one it might be...IF
 > that is/was the problem.
 >
 > Needless to say, I was quite relieved when I was able to get to all the
 > drives individually. Let them run for hours and the problem I previously
 > saw never occurred again.
 >
 > I sincerely appreciate all those who responded in a considerate, helpful
 > manner and hope you have a great day!

Just a helpful suggestion ... remember how fearful you were of losing
all that data and then plan a good backup system so that you will not
be in danger of losing the data completely again. Consider another,
much larger firewire drive -- not kept in use -- for backups only, or
writeable CDs or DVDs, or a DAT drive.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:22 pm
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In article <HCUXb.328652$na.482024@attbi_s04>, jpmcwilliams
<jpmcw DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:

 > LuvMacs wrote:
 >
  > > Just upgraded to Panther this weekend and had absolutely NO idea about
  > > problems with some external Firewire drives and Panther!
  > >
  > > I have 3 external Firewire drives. One is Firewire 400 drive and other
  > > are pre-Firewire 400 (not sure what they're considered)
  > >
  > > None are the 800 drives that firmware is available for.
  > >
  > > After problem began and I went online to investigate, and only then
  > > found out about this incompatibility problem.
  > >
  > > I tried mounting the drives on my old Powerbook and none of them will
  > > mount there!
 >
 > It's extremely unlikely that your Panther upgrade caused this. Check the
 > connections. Try them on another machine. Leave out the caps.
 >
 > John McWilliams



I think that unsubstantiated with fact that yes they are hosed. I lost
three drives. All three had one common element, they were older firewire
drives. Since then I've bought new drives and have not had one firewire
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 11:49 pm
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LuvMacs wrote:
 > To update what progress I've made with my firewire drives...the drives
 > apparently are not hosed after all.
 >
 > When I hook them up individually to Powerbook (running Panther) they
 > mount and I do not get any error msgs saying they had been improperly
 > put away and they no longer seem to be behaving oddly.
 >
You are most welcome.

John McWilliams

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:03 pm
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Smokerz wrote:
 > In article <HCUXb.328652$na.482024@attbi_s04>, jpmcwilliams
 > <jpmcw.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
 >
  >>LuvMacs wrote:
  >>
   >>>Just upgraded to Panther this weekend and had absolutely NO idea about
   >>>problems with some external Firewire drives and Panther!
   >>>
   >>>I have 3 external Firewire drives. One is Firewire 400 drive and other
   >>>are pre-Firewire 400 (not sure what they're considered)
   >>>
   >>>None are the 800 drives that firmware is available for.
   >>>
   >>>After problem began and I went online to investigate, and only then
   >>>found out about this incompatibility problem.
   >>>
   >>>I tried mounting the drives on my old Powerbook and none of them will
   >>>mount there!
  >>
  >>It's extremely unlikely that your Panther upgrade caused this. Check the
  >>connections. Try them on another machine. Leave out the caps.
  >>
 >
 > I think that unsubstantiated with fact that yes they are hosed. I lost
 > three drives. All three had one common element, they were older firewire
 > drives. Since then I've bought new drives and have not had one firewire
 > problem with Panther 10.3.2

Happily, the OP tells us in another branch that the drives were not in
fact damaged.
My point was that his pissed-offedness at Panther was probably
unwarranted, and his drives were unlikely to have been damaged.

The LaCie guys told me at MacWorld that the problem was limited (in
their company's case at least) to folks who installed Panther with the
drive(s) mounted, and then only for certain ones. Still, a huge problem
if you're one of the few.

John McWilliams

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:57 pm
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In comp.sys.mac.system fishfry <BLOCKSPAMfishfry.DeleteThis@your-mailbox.com> wrote:
 > Rule number 1 for doing any OS upgrade is to read the newsgroup
 > archives to see if there are any known problems.

How many mere-mortal users of Macs even know about newsgroups?

rick jones
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:28 pm
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I once hosed a fw drive by disconnecting the cable before properly
unmounting the drive. This was OS X pre-Panther days. It never worked
after that. Not even reformatting fixes it.

Don't make the same mistake--

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