Pages dissapointment

In article <nobody-F467F9.12325025032005 DeleteThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
John Rethorst <nobody DeleteThis @nowhere.net> wrote:

 > In article <mipaine-53BB0E.09361225032005 DeleteThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
 > "G. Michael Paine" <mipaine DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
 >
  > > I cannot seem to get Pages to conform to my modest needs.
 >
 > Search Google groups for the words "pages" and "disappointment" in
 > comp.sys.mac.apps. Quite a thread a month or two ago.

Yes I found it, or at least many comments.

Unfortunately no one seems to be down at my level of confusion. All I
wanted was to be able to get away from Word. But, $%^&**(^ Word seems to
do all, most of the time when it is not bugging out.

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In article <mipaine-53BB0E.09361225032005.TakeThisOut@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
"G. Michael Paine" <mipaine.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:

 > I cannot seem to get Pages to conform to my modest needs.
 >
 > It seems that there is no way to assign attributes to an entire
 > document. Whenever 'return' is hit the new ¶ reverts to the default font
 > of Pages.

When setting up paragraph styles, you can choose the 'Following
Paragraph Style'. Do this from the 'More' tab in the Text inspector.

 > Also, when setting line space to "single" it is not a single space, at
 > least not by any standards I've ever used or seen. In fact it is at
 > least double space if not more. I get close by not using the menu and
 > adjusting the slide to about .4, that seems as close to a single space
 > as I can get.

Huh? I don't see anything like that here. Here's what single-space looks
like in Word vs. Pages:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://66.114.68.129/files/pages.gif" target="_blank">http://66.114.68.129/files/pages.gif</a>

The only difference I notice is that Pages has nicer font rendering.

A line height of 0.4 actually results in overlapping text. What font are
you using? The font defines what constitutes normal line spacing.

 > I am reading the User's Guide, but to no avail on these problems.
 >
 > Help, please.

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In article <mipaine-53BB0E.09361225032005 DeleteThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
"G. Michael Paine" <mipaine DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:

Assuming you're not trolling:

 > I cannot seem to get Pages to conform to my modest needs.
 >
 > It seems that there is no way to assign attributes to an entire
 > document. Whenever 'return' is hit the new ¶ reverts to the default font
 > of Pages.

You have to edit the body paragraph style.
To do that, select the text font by hitting command-T and editing it
there, and setting paragraph attributes by hitting command-option-I for
the Inspector, then select the T tab and set spacing etc.
When you have done that, in the styles drawer (shift-command-T) the
triangle next to the body paragraph (assuming it was one) will turn red
to indicate you have changes. From the menu from clicking on the red
triangle select redefine style from selection.

 > Also, when setting line space to "single" it is not a single space, at
 > least not by any standards I've ever used or seen. In fact it is at
 > least double space if not more. I get close by not using the menu and
 > adjusting the slide to about .4, that seems as close to a single space
 > as I can get.

Use from the Inspector>Text>Spacing>Line double arrow next to Single:
At Least to enter exact point value.

HTH
Marc

BTW: there's lots of information in the booklet, in the help file and at
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://discussions.info.apple.com" target="_blank">http://discussions.info.apple.com</a> under iWork '05> Pages

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In article <marc.heusser-B8FDDC.19375125032005 RemoveThis @idnews.unizh.ch>,
Marc Heusser <marc.heusser RemoveThis @CHEERSheusser.comMERCIALSPAMMERS.invalid>
wrote:

 > In article <mipaine-53BB0E.09361225032005 RemoveThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
 > "G. Michael Paine" <mipaine RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
 >
 > Assuming you're not trolling:
I am for real with real problems.
 >
  > > I cannot seem to get Pages to conform to my modest needs.
  > >
  > > It seems that there is no way to assign attributes to an entire
  > > document. Whenever 'return' is hit the new ¶ reverts to the default font
  > > of Pages.
 >
 > You have to edit the body paragraph style.
 > To do that, select the text font by hitting command-T and editing it
 > there, and setting paragraph attributes by hitting command-option-I for
 > the Inspector, then select the T tab and set spacing etc.
 > When you have done that, in the styles drawer (shift-command-T) the
 > triangle next to the body paragraph (assuming it was one) will turn red
 > to indicate you have changes. From the menu from clicking on the red
 > triangle select redefine style from selection.

Yes, I think that is what I've been doing. But when you go to a new ¶
one must once again go to ¶ and reset for the new ¶.
 >
  > > Also, when setting line space to "single" it is not a single space, at
  > > least not by any standards I've ever used or seen. In fact it is at
  > > least double space if not more. I get close by not using the menu and
  > > adjusting the slide to about .4, that seems as close to a single space
  > > as I can get.
 >
 > Use from the Inspector>Text>Spacing>Line double arrow next to Single:
 > At Least to enter exact point value.

My question is that going to "single" give not a single space, but
rather a spacing that is nearer to double space.
Am I making myself clear? I fear not.

Michael
 >
 > HTH
 > Marc
 >
 > BTW: there's lots of information in the booklet, in the help file and at
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://discussions.info.apple.com" target="_blank">http://discussions.info.apple.com</a> under iWork '05> Pages<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <znu-D2E70A.13454025032005 DeleteThis @individual.net>,
ZnU <znu DeleteThis @fake.invalid> wrote:

 > The only difference I notice is that Pages has nicer font rendering.

That might be because Word's support for kerning appears to be sketchy
at best. I'm not a Word user but have seen cases where obviously no
kerning was applied when using PS fonts

Perhaps Word turns on kerning only above a certain font size for better
screen readability?!

It's delighting and not entirely surprising to see that Pages gets that
aspect right.

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In article <nosp-60730E.03004326032005.TakeThisOut@news.simnet.is>,
Martin Sammtleben <nosp.TakeThisOut@m.thank.you> wrote:

 > In article <znu-D2E70A.13454025032005.TakeThisOut@individual.net>,
 > ZnU <znu.TakeThisOut@fake.invalid> wrote:
 >
  > > The only difference I notice is that Pages has nicer font rendering.
 >
 > That might be because Word's support for kerning appears to be sketchy
 > at best. I'm not a Word user but have seen cases where obviously no
 > kerning was applied when using PS fonts
 >
 > Perhaps Word turns on kerning only above a certain font size for better
 > screen readability?!
 >
 > It's delighting and not entirely surprising to see that Pages gets that
 > aspect right.

In fact, it would be pretty surprising if it *didn't* get this right,
because it probably just uses the Cocoa text system, which is very good
at this sort of thing.

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G. Michael Paine <mipaine RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
 > In article <nobody-F467F9.12325025032005 RemoveThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
 > John Rethorst <nobody RemoveThis @nowhere.net> wrote:
 >
  > > In article <mipaine-53BB0E.09361225032005 RemoveThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
  > > "G. Michael Paine" <mipaine RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
  > >
   > > > I cannot seem to get Pages to conform to my modest needs.
  > >
  > > Search Google groups for the words "pages" and "disappointment" in
  > > comp.sys.mac.apps. Quite a thread a month or two ago.
 >
 > Yes I found it, or at least many comments.
 >
 > Unfortunately no one seems to be down at my level of confusion. All I
 > wanted was to be able to get away from Word. But, $%^&**(^ Word seems to
 > do all, most of the time when it is not bugging out.

You could always take a whole new approach and use LyX (http://www.lyx.org/).

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