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John Ahlstrom

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:48 pm
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My daughter's going to college this fall
and needs a printer for her MacBook that will
do papers and color photos.

Any recommendations?

Any bewares?

Any comments on hp3180?

JKA

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Wolf

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:51 am
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John Ahlstrom wrote:
> My daughter's going to college this fall
> and needs a printer for her MacBook that will
> do papers and color photos.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> Any bewares?
>
> Any comments on hp3180?
>
> JKA

The best bet, both for quality and long-term cost, is a multi-tank
printer, one tank per colour. I like the Canon Pixma series. A friend
who prints art cards and such commercially likes Epsons. I had an HP
colour printer a while back, and it was the toughest printer I ever
owned, but I hear that HP's are no longer as well built as they used to
be. All these brands have Mac drivers, but not necessarily for a given
printer model, so read the specs carefully. All these manufacturers
offer updated drivers on their websites, so check that out as soon as
the printer is installed. Set a price point for cost of ownership, and
shop around that price point. There is no significant difference between
the major brands.

Here are my comments under the general heading of "Beware!"

How much do you want to spend for a) the printer; b) the ink? That's a
key question. Think hard about it. Cost of acquisition is the smallest
component of cost of ownership. Trust me: I've made my share of mistakes
buying "cheap" printers. ;-)

First off, what you want is not economic. A colour printer is a lousy
choice for run-of-the-mill b/w (ie, text) printing. Ink costs a lot. In
fact, "cheap" printers sometimes cost less to buy than a set of ink
cartridges (but those cheap printers come with under-filled ink
cartridges, so it's not worthwhile to just toss them and buy a new one.)
If your daughter doesn't expect to print many photos, it may well be
cheaper in the short term to use a photo-printing service in the nearest
mall, and have only a b/w laser printer for her papers.

Second, avoid printers that have a black and a tri-colour cartridge, no
matter how attractive the deal (you can get such printers for well under
$100 these days. Beware!) In the long term, multi-tank printers are cheaper.

My recommendation is two printers: one a photo-quality colour inkjet,
the other a cheap laser printer. (Lexmark, who make below average
inkjets, make decent cheap laser printers.) Total cost should be around
$500-600, which sounds like a lot, but when a set of ink tanks or
cartridges costs $60 and up, the savings mount up pretty quickly. You
can often get excellent deals on discontinued models, just make sure
they use the currently available cartridges. Often, the only difference
between the cheaper/older and the more expensive/newer model is speed.
Look for a laser printer for which reconditioned cartridges are
available (for example, at Staples.)

I have a Canon Pixma IP8500, and Canon ImageRunner laser (office quality
multi-function). Based on my own experience, a laser printed or
photocopied page will cost 5 cents or less, depending on paper costs. A
colour inkjet printed text page will run 25 cents and up for the ink
alone. If colour images are included, it will be 50 cents and up. A 4x6
photo will cost 50 cents and up, depending on where you buy your photo
paper. (If you want to save on photo costs, print four pictures on a
letter size page, instead of printing individual 4x6 pictures.)

Unsolicited advice A: Avoid 3rd party inks. They don't damage a printer,
but the colour quality isn't there.

Unsolicited advice B: Buy from Staples. Their salespeople are not on
commission, so you are likely to get less biased advice from them.

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Wolf
'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.'

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Kadin2048

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:11 pm
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In article <46a761c5$0$10154$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>,
Wolf <ElLoboViejo DeleteThis @ruddy.moss> wrote:

> First off, what you want is not economic. A colour printer is a lousy
> choice for run-of-the-mill b/w (ie, text) printing. Ink costs a lot. In
> fact, "cheap" printers sometimes cost less to buy than a set of ink
> cartridges (but those cheap printers come with under-filled ink
> cartridges, so it's not worthwhile to just toss them and buy a new one.)
> If your daughter doesn't expect to print many photos, it may well be
> cheaper in the short term to use a photo-printing service in the nearest
> mall, and have only a b/w laser printer for her papers.
>
...
>
> My recommendation is two printers: one a photo-quality colour inkjet,
> the other a cheap laser printer.

I strongly agree. People seem to buy inkjets because they *think* they
want to print photos, but rarely use the capability. And you're paying
through the nose for it, every time you print a page of text.

It's the computer equivalent of buying a Hummer to commute to work every
morning, just so that you can go off-road twice a year. Sure, you have
the capability, but you're being raped for it every time you do normal
driving. :)

Unless your daughter is planning on being heavily involved in digital
photography, printing large (greater than 8x10) photos on a regular
basis, and needs the degree of control that having her own printer (as
opposed to going to the nearest minilab and having them run off on a
lightjet) affords, there's no reason to have an inkjet.

You can regularly find B&W laser printers for under or around $100 (I
have a Samsung but if I was doing it again today I'd get a Brother [1]),
and that's what I'd recommend to anyone going off to college. A printer
and an extra full toner cartridge (they tend to come with squib loads
from the factory, only good for a few hundred pages) ought to set her up
for most of the next four years, even if she's in a writing-intensive
major.

Heck, you can get a color laser for under $300 these days. I don't know
much about them, but it would satisfy all other (non-photo)
color-printing requirements, and the cost per page would almost
certainly still be much lower than an inkjet.

With the price of lab-printed digital photos where it is, you have to be
very much into digital photography as a hobby for an inkjet photo
printer to make sense. I consider myself a fairly accomplished amateur
photographer and even I think they're a PITA; you have to be a major
obsessive to maintain your own printer when you can go down to Costco
and get Frontier prints for a few cents a piece. (And it's really only
Costco if you're impatient; there are lots of online services that are
cheaper and don't require leaving your room.)

Good luck,
Kadin.


[1] Some of the Brother lasers are better than others. Some of them are
real PostScript printers, and thus are very compatible, not only with
Mac but with Linux as well, and basically are "future proof." I think
this is a pretty big plus. Some of the other models use proprietary
printer/host communication protocols and are Windows only, or
Windows/Mac but leave you at the mercy of Brother for drivers in the
future. I'd avoid them.
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Dan

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:27 pm
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On 7/24/07 6:48 PM, John Ahlstrom wrote:
> My daughter's going to college this fall
> and needs a printer for her MacBook that will
> do papers and color photos.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> Any bewares?
>
> Any comments on hp3180?
>
> JKA

The HP 2650DN is a nice and affordable color laser printer that works
well with a Mac.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:35 pm
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In article <46a96611$0$30686$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Dan <dan DeleteThis @nospamstuff.com> wrote:
>On 7/24/07 6:48 PM, John Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Any recommendations?
>
>The HP 2650DN is a nice and affordable color laser printer that works
>well with a Mac.

I think you mean the 2605DN.

I've installed 3 of them in the last few months. They're very
inexpensive, and easy to set up. The prices seem to move around a lot,
but OfficeMax consistently has had the best prices in the past. List
price is $499, I've paid as little as $275. The current flyer for
OfficeMax doesn't have it, but Office Depot has it for $375 this week.
So does Staples. Still not a bad price for a color laser printer with
Postscript support, built-in duplexing and network support.

One had a manufacturing defect. Getting it locally instead of mailorder
meant I could just bring it back and swap for a new one.

They're a little on the bulky side (typical for a color laser printer,
but much smaller than older models). The built-in duplexing is a nice
feature, but doesn't work with the Postscript support. I don't know how
well they work with Macs. So far I'm only using them from Windows and
Linux.

Might be a little big for a dorm room, but definitely worth checking
out.

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