PhotoShop Elements

In article <clw-C44BB7.11452430062004 DeleteThis @nntp0.pdx.net>,
clw <clw DeleteThis @oblivion.world> wrote:

 > Is anyone here using a Whacom tablet to draw selections in PhotoShop?
 >
 > I am going nuts trying to make selections using a mouse and wonder if a
 > drawing tablet is superior.
 >
 > TIA

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On 2004-06-30 15:04:52 -0400, clvrmnky
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 > On 30/06/2004 2:45 PM, clw wrote:
 >
  >> Is anyone here using a Whacom tablet to draw selections in PhotoShop?
  >>
  >> I am going nuts trying to make selections using a mouse and wonder if a
  >> drawing tablet is superior.
 >
 > I've a friend who uses Elements and has a Wacom tablet. He raves about
 > it constantly, but I can ask this specific question of him.

I used a Wacom for years, but sold it because I wasn't doing any work,
and it was ADB. I'll probably get a new one soon. They're great for all
sorts of things; not sure if selections is really the issue. If your
selections require the tools of Photoshop (as opposed to Elements) the
tablet won't help much.
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In article <clw-6FDDDE.16001830062004 DeleteThis @nntp0.pdx.net>,
clw <clw DeleteThis @oblivion.world> wrote:

 > Thanks for all the input. Tomorrow here comes a drawing tablet.

I'd like to add a question, if I may, on the same topic.

I've got to teach my mom to build a web page so she can show off her
pictures. What I want her to be able to do is to prepare images for the
web, ala ImageReady, but w/o spending the cash for the whole Photoshop
set. Would Photoshop Elements do that? What else is it good for?

Also, pointers to cheap web building programs would be welcome. While
she's done coding in the past, I don't want to force her to learn HTML.
I'm going to point her at Interarchy for FTP 'cause I use it and
therefore can help her with it.

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 >I am going nuts trying to make selections using a mouse and wonder if a
 >drawing tablet is superior.

Most people who go nuts trying to make selections in Photoshop don't realize
that:

1. You can keep the selection tools like the Lasso from snapping shut by
hitting the Option key on the keyboard;

2. The Shift key adds to a selection, and the Option key removes from a
selection, if they're held down before you begin making the selection;

3. You can select with the paintbrush in QuickMask mode;

4. The Pen tool can be used to make extremely smooth, precise selections of
hard-edged objects; and

5. How to use layer masks.

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Howard Shubs:
 > ...I've got to teach my mom to build a web page so she can show off her
 > pictures. What I want her to be able to do is to prepare images for the
 > web, ala ImageReady, but w/o spending the cash for the whole Photoshop
 > set. Would Photoshop Elements do that? What else is it good for?

Elements is well suited for preparing images for the web. It can also
prepare images for high-quality printing on consumer inkjets. And, if
one has an artistic bent, one can start with a blank canvas and paint a
picture.

Davoud

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By the way...

Howard Shubs' sig says:

 > Your prison is walking through this world all alone.

I've been meaning to ask you about this for some time. Please don't
take this as an insult, because that's not my intent. Do you understand
that the meaning of this sentence is that the reader owns a prison
(presumably with high, thick walls; watchtowers; cell blocks; and all
that comprises a prison), and that that prison is somehow able to walk
around the world all alone? (No wonder it's alone; how many individuals
own prisons, and among those who do, how many of those prisons can
walk!?)

Do you mean that, or do you mean "Your prison consists of walking
through this world all alone," or "Walking through this world all alone
is your prison," or similar?

Davoud

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Davoud wrote:
 >By the way...
 >
 >Howard Shubs' sig says:
 >
  >> Your prison is walking through this world all alone.
 >
 >I've been meaning to ask you about this for some time. Please don't
 >take this as an insult, because that's not my intent. Do you understand
 >that the meaning of this sentence is that the reader owns a prison
 >(presumably with high, thick walls; watchtowers; cell blocks; and all
 >that comprises a prison), and that that prison is somehow able to walk
 >around the world all alone? (No wonder it's alone; how many individuals
 >own prisons, and among those who do, how many of those prisons can
 >walk!?)

I have it on good authority that while Howard's prison is _not_ in fact
walking, but that his refrigerator _is_ running.


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In article <howard-0629D6.21363230062004 RemoveThis @news.newsguy.com>,
Howard Shubs <howard RemoveThis @shubs.net> wrote:

 > In article <clw-6FDDDE.16001830062004 RemoveThis @nntp0.pdx.net>,
 > clw <clw RemoveThis @oblivion.world> wrote:
 >
  > > Thanks for all the input. Tomorrow here comes a drawing tablet.
 >
 > I'd like to add a question, if I may, on the same topic.
 >
 > I've got to teach my mom to build a web page so she can show off her
 > pictures. What I want her to be able to do is to prepare images for the
 > web, ala ImageReady, but w/o spending the cash for the whole Photoshop
 > set. Would Photoshop Elements do that? What else is it good for?

Elements is a bit of a problem to learn, but much simpler than
PhotoShop.

A good alternative is Graphic Converter which allows a good deal of
picture editing and I believe will export pictures for the Web. And, is
much cheaper than Elements. and, as time goes by, GC is adding more and
more editing capabilities. And, GC upgrades are free after
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In article <300620042331158077%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star.DeleteThis@sky.net>
wrote:

 > Do you mean that, or do you mean "Your prison consists of walking
 > through this world all alone," or "Walking through this world all alone
 > is your prison," or similar?

Context can help:

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So the answer is "yes", I figure.

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Davoud <star.RemoveThis@sky.net> wrote:

 > Do you mean that, or do you mean "Your prison consists of walking
 > through this world all alone," or "Walking through this world all alone
 > is your prison," or similar?

And when a street sign says, "Right lane must turn right," how is the
LANE supposed to turn? The sign really should say, "Vehicles in right
lane must turn right."

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Mike Rosenberg:
 > And when a street sign says, "Right lane must turn right," how is the
 > LANE supposed to turn? The sign really should say, "Vehicles in right
 > lane must turn right."

Street signs, of course, are held to a different standard; in the
example that you cited five words are better than seven. A sig, however
inane, should probably make sense. If it can't make sense because it
comes from an inane song lyric, then it should include an attribution.

There was a case, however, in which the Commonwealth of Virginia was
forced by sticklers (like me) to change a sign. It was on eastbound
I-66 near the I-495 (Capital Beltway) interchange. No trucks are
permitted on I-66 inside the Beltway. For a long time a sign read "All
Trucks Must Use Exit 29A _and_ 29B." (Emphasis mine.) That was too
egregious an error for sticklers to ignore. The sign now reads "All
Trucks Must Use Exit 29A _or_ 29B." (Emphasis mine again. Exit numbers
may not be correct.)

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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:36:32 -0400, Howard Shubs <howard.TakeThisOut@shubs.net> wrote:
 >
 > I've got to teach my mom to build a web page so she can show off her
 > pictures. What I want her to be able to do is to prepare images for the
 > web, ala ImageReady, but w/o spending the cash for the whole Photoshop
 > set.

I've got a little shell script that will convert a directory full of images
into a webpage. To see an example, follow the links from:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.duck-creek.net/dave/photos/" target="_blank">http://www.duck-creek.net/dave/photos/</a>

The index.html page will be thumbnails of all of the pictures in that
directory (a roll of film is about the right size). Click on a thumbnail,
you get a bigger version of it, more or less fullscreen. (also a parameter
in the script if you have a smaller screen). Click on the bigger version,
get the full-sized .jpg image you put into that directory in the first place.
I wrote it with another guy, but I don't think he'd mind me giving it out.
I'll check with him today. Take a look - it's a quick way of turning
a directory full of pictures into a basic, no-frills webpage.

Nice thing if you're moving this stuff around, is that it's all in one
directory, and relative pathing is used, so you can move the whole thing
around without anything falling apart. Just ftp all the files to the
webserver, no worrying about subdirectories of subdirectories and so
on.

 > Also, pointers to cheap web building programs would be welcome. While
 > she's done coding in the past, I don't want to force her to learn HTML.
 > I'm going to point her at Interarchy for FTP 'cause I use it and
 > therefore can help her with it.

There's probably a way to interface this shell script into a GUI, but if
you're comfortable with showing her how to ftp, you could probably show her
how to do this:
(open a terminal window)
cd ~/photo_directory
cd random_directory
/tools/generate_html
....(wait patiently)...
cd ..
cd other_random_directory
/tools/generate_html
....and so on.

Anyway, take a look, if you (or anyone else) is interested in the
script, let me know. It's not a beautiful example of how to code, having
been assembled by several people over several years, but it works great.

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In article <010720041038445639%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star.RemoveThis@sky.net>
wrote:

 > Mike Rosenberg:
  > > And when a street sign says, "Right lane must turn right," how is the
  > > LANE supposed to turn? The sign really should say, "Vehicles in right
  > > lane must turn right."
 >
 > Street signs, of course, are held to a different standard; in the
 > example that you cited five words are better than seven. A sig, however
 > inane, should probably make sense.

And it did. Your literal interpretation of the words was obviously
incorrect, while your interpretation "Your prison consists of walking
through this world all alone" was correct. It's really pretty obvious,
IMHO. I mean, it should be immediately apparent that a prison that you
own has not gotten up and wandered away. I'm really not sure what your
point is here. I don't mean to be offensive, but by criticizing the
clarity of a sentence whose meaning is obvious, you are not making
yourself look too good.

 > There was a case, however, in which the Commonwealth of Virginia was
 > forced by sticklers (like me) to change a sign. It was on eastbound
 > I-66 near the I-495 (Capital Beltway) interchange. No trucks are
 > permitted on I-66 inside the Beltway. For a long time a sign read "All
 > Trucks Must Use Exit 29A _and_ 29B." (Emphasis mine.) That was too
 > egregious an error for sticklers to ignore. The sign now reads "All
 > Trucks Must Use Exit 29A _or_ 29B."

And this is what's wrong with the United States (or, one thing,
anyway). Too many people with too much time on their hands sitting
around thinking about what's "right". It's obvious even to those who
are IQ-challenged that a truck cannot take two different exits at the
same time. The meaning is obvious. By insisting that the sign be
changed, people did nothing to improve the clarity of the sign, and
they cost the state of Virginia money.

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