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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:06 am
Post subject: Photoshop Elements question
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Well, I recently got a new iMac and did the transfer thingee of all my
stuff and now Photoshop Elements 1.0 doesn't work right anymore. Not
surprising, I guess--that was the oldest piece of software I still used
on a regular basis. So I guess I'm going to be upgrading to 3.0,
unless I can find the disc and get it reinstalled properly (even that
might not do the trick, though, I guess).
A few questions:
1) I'm thinking of getting a Nikon D70 camera. Does Elements 3.0 have
the ability to read the "raw" format from this camera in any way? Info
I've seen so far is unclear.
2) Just out of sheer paranoia, I need to ask about my favorite feature
in 1.0, namely the "save for web" feature. Is this significantly
changed in 3.0? The best possible answer would be that it has not
changed one iota, because it was perfect already, IMHO. :-)
3) Any other stupidness or dumb consumerist bells and whistles in 3.0
that are likely to be annoying, compared to 1.0? Nice features that
mysteriously disappeared over the course of two upgrade versions? Or
is this in general a good upgrade?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:24 am
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Intermediate Vector Boson <boson.intermediate.RemoveThis@particles.com.aq> writes:
> 1) I'm thinking of getting a Nikon D70 camera. Does Elements 3.0 have
> the ability to read the "raw" format from this camera in any way? Info
> I've seen so far is unclear.
I have a D-70 and Elements 3.0. Elements reads my NEF files without any
problem.
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> 2) Just out of sheer paranoia, I need to ask about my favorite feature
> in 1.0, namely the "save for web" feature. Is this significantly
> changed in 3.0? The best possible answer would be that it has not
> changed one iota, because it was perfect already, IMHO. :-)
I never used 1.0. 3.0 has 'Save for web.' Whether it's changed, I can't
say.
>SNIP<
Sorry, but I have no basis for any comparisons. It seems to work fine. I'm
using 10.2.8 on a dual-processor G3.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:12 am
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In article <310120052306354704%boson.intermediate@particles.com.aq>,
Intermediate Vector Boson <boson.intermediate.RemoveThis@particles.com.aq> wrote:
> Well, I recently got a new iMac and did the transfer thingee of all my
> stuff and now Photoshop Elements 1.0 doesn't work right anymore. Not
> surprising, I guess--that was the oldest piece of software I still used
> on a regular basis. So I guess I'm going to be upgrading to 3.0,
> unless I can find the disc and get it reinstalled properly (even that
> might not do the trick, though, I guess).
>
> A few questions:
>
> 1) I'm thinking of getting a Nikon D70 camera. Does Elements 3.0 have
> the ability to read the "raw" format from this camera in any way? Info
> I've seen so far is unclear.
From the inside flap of the box: "Camera raw file support. Get truer,
higher quality output by working with the complete rawdata files from
your digital camera." NOTE that this is from an Elements 3.0 for
Windows box (they've separated the boxes for 3.0).
>
> 2) Just out of sheer paranoia, I need to ask about my favorite feature
> in 1.0, namely the "save for web" feature. Is this significantly
> changed in 3.0?
Dunno.
The best possible answer would be that it has not
> changed one iota, because it was perfect already, IMHO. :-)
>
> 3) Any other stupidness or dumb consumerist bells and whistles in 3.0
> that are likely to be annoying, compared to 1.0? Nice features that
> mysteriously disappeared over the course of two upgrade versions? Or
> is this in general a good upgrade?
It's been touted by 2.0 users as a fine thing to do.
Have you looked at any of the Adobe forums on it -
adobe.photoshop.elements comes to mind.
Good luck. I have 2.0 and can't do 3.0 on my system.
>
> TIA
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:40 am
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Intermediate Vector Boson <boson.intermediate.DeleteThis@particles.com.aq> wrote:
> 1) I'm thinking of getting a Nikon D70 camera. Does Elements 3.0 have
> the ability to read the "raw" format from this camera in any way? Info
> I've seen so far is unclear.
supports raw 16bits
>
> 2) Just out of sheer paranoia, I need to ask about my favorite feature
> in 1.0, namely the "save for web" feature. Is this significantly
> changed in 3.0? The best possible answer would be that it has not
> changed one iota, because it was perfect already, IMHO. :-)
save for web features never dissapeared ...
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> 3) Any other stupidness or dumb consumerist bells and whistles in 3.0
> that are likely to be annoying, compared to 1.0? Nice features that
> mysteriously disappeared over the course of two upgrade versions? Or
> is this in general a good upgrade?
I don't remember elements 1, 3 is working very well and got some
photoshop reserved features like healing brush...
Why don#'t you look at:
<http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopelmac/newfeatures.html>
for what's new ?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:12 pm
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In article <310120052306354704%boson.intermediate@particles.com.aq>,
Intermediate Vector Boson <boson.intermediate.RemoveThis@particles.com.aq> wrote:
> Well, I recently got a new iMac and did the transfer thingee of all my
> stuff and now Photoshop Elements 1.0 doesn't work right anymore. Not
> surprising, I guess--that was the oldest piece of software I still used
> on a regular basis. So I guess I'm going to be upgrading to 3.0,
> unless I can find the disc and get it reinstalled properly (even that
> might not do the trick, though, I guess).
>
> A few questions:
>
> 1) I'm thinking of getting a Nikon D70 camera. Does Elements 3.0 have
> the ability to read the "raw" format from this camera in any way? Info
> I've seen so far is unclear.
Adobe's site lists all RAW-supported models. The D70 is on the list.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Photoshop Elements question |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:13 pm
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In article <1grbdf3.b9guk5glyo0yN%tino@alussinan.org>,
tino.TakeThisOut@alussinan.org (Martin Rass) wrote:
> Intermediate Vector Boson <boson.intermediate.TakeThisOut@particles.com.aq> wrote:
>
> > 1) I'm thinking of getting a Nikon D70 camera. Does Elements 3.0 have
> > the ability to read the "raw" format from this camera in any way? Info
> > I've seen so far is unclear.
>
> supports raw 16bits
There are quite a few camera offering "raw 16bits" that aren't supported.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:40 am
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Steve Hix <sehix DeleteThis @NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:
> In article <1grbdf3.b9guk5glyo0yN%tino@alussinan.org>,
> tino DeleteThis @alussinan.org (Martin Rass) wrote:
>
> > Intermediate Vector Boson <boson.intermediate DeleteThis @particles.com.aq> wrote:
> >
> > > 1) I'm thinking of getting a Nikon D70 camera. Does Elements 3.0 have
> > > the ability to read the "raw" format from this camera in any way? Info
> > > I've seen so far is unclear.
> >
> > supports raw 16bits
>
> There are quite a few camera offering "raw 16bits" that aren't supported.
>
> RAW is not a single standard format, it's a vague description.
Camera RAW is seldom 16 bits, if ever. RAW is usually 12 bits. When
converted to TIFF, you have the option to convert to 16 bits TIFF
(meaning 4 bits will simply remain empty).
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:59 pm
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In article <1grcp8d.1cbmyx350k3m6N%nomail@please.invalid>,
nomail RemoveThis @please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:
> Steve Hix <sehix RemoveThis @NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:
>
> > In article <1grbdf3.b9guk5glyo0yN%tino@alussinan.org>,
> > tino RemoveThis @alussinan.org (Martin Rass) wrote:
> >
> > > Intermediate Vector Boson <boson.intermediate RemoveThis @particles.com.aq> wrote:
> > >
> > > > 1) I'm thinking of getting a Nikon D70 camera. Does Elements 3.0 have
> > > > the ability to read the "raw" format from this camera in any way? Info
> > > > I've seen so far is unclear.
> > >
> > > supports raw 16bits
> >
> > There are quite a few camera offering "raw 16bits" that aren't supported.
> >
> > RAW is not a single standard format, it's a vague description.
>
> Camera RAW is seldom 16 bits, if ever. RAW is usually 12 bits. When
> converted to TIFF, you have the option to convert to 16 bits TIFF
> (meaning 4 bits will simply remain empty).
Nevertheless, whether 12, 14 or 16 bits, different manufacturers' RAW
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:40 am
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Steve Hix <sehix.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:
> In article <1grcp8d.1cbmyx350k3m6N%nomail@please.invalid>,
> nomail.TakeThisOut@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:
>
> > Steve Hix <sehix.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <1grbdf3.b9guk5glyo0yN%tino@alussinan.org>,
> > > tino.TakeThisOut@alussinan.org (Martin Rass) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Intermediate Vector Boson <boson.intermediate.TakeThisOut@particles.com.aq> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 1) I'm thinking of getting a Nikon D70 camera. Does Elements 3.0
> > > > > have the ability to read the "raw" format from this camera in any
> > > > > way? Info I've seen so far is unclear.
> > > >
> > > > supports raw 16bits
> > >
> > > There are quite a few camera offering "raw 16bits" that aren't supported.
> > >
> > > RAW is not a single standard format, it's a vague description.
> >
> > Camera RAW is seldom 16 bits, if ever. RAW is usually 12 bits. When
> > converted to TIFF, you have the option to convert to 16 bits TIFF
> > (meaning 4 bits will simply remain empty).
>
> Nevertheless, whether 12, 14 or 16 bits, different manufacturers' RAW
> formats vary; it's not a standard.
True. That's why Adobe suggests DNG as a new standard for RAW files.
Hopefully the camera manufacturers will adopt it (although I have my
doubts they will).
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:11 pm
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In article <1greyok.ivc1ua1ownr41N%nomail@please.invalid>,
nomail.TakeThisOut@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:
> Steve Hix <sehix.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:
>
> > In article <1grcp8d.1cbmyx350k3m6N%nomail@please.invalid>,
> > nomail.TakeThisOut@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:
> >
> > > Steve Hix <sehix.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <1grbdf3.b9guk5glyo0yN%tino@alussinan.org>,
> > > > tino.TakeThisOut@alussinan.org (Martin Rass) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Intermediate Vector Boson <boson.intermediate.TakeThisOut@particles.com.aq>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 1) I'm thinking of getting a Nikon D70 camera. Does Elements 3.0
> > > > > > have the ability to read the "raw" format from this camera in any
> > > > > > way? Info I've seen so far is unclear.
> > > > >
> > > > > supports raw 16bits
> > > >
> > > > There are quite a few camera offering "raw 16bits" that aren't
> > > > supported.
> > > >
> > > > RAW is not a single standard format, it's a vague description.
> > >
> > > Camera RAW is seldom 16 bits, if ever. RAW is usually 12 bits. When
> > > converted to TIFF, you have the option to convert to 16 bits TIFF
> > > (meaning 4 bits will simply remain empty).
> >
> > Nevertheless, whether 12, 14 or 16 bits, different manufacturers' RAW
> > formats vary; it's not a standard.
>
> True. That's why Adobe suggests DNG as a new standard for RAW files.
> Hopefully the camera manufacturers will adopt it (although I have my
> doubts they will).
As long as they think there is some competitive advantage to custom
formats, Adobe can go whistle, for all they care. I hope they decide on
a single standard...but it's probably better if I just lie down and
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