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Since: May 05, 2007 Posts: 26
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:48 am
Post subject: Repairing Midplane on G5 iMac Archived from groups: comp>sys>mac>hardware>misc (more info?)
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I'm about to embark on an adventure and was wondering if anyone has had
any experience with this.
I bought one of the original G5 iMacs back in November 2004. It has had
the power supply replaced and the mid plane replaced twice due to
faulty capacitors. The bad capacitors were easy to identify due to the
marking on the top surface and, when I got the second replacement back,
I looked inside and found three suspicious capacitors. Now, a year
later, those three capacitors are bulging and leaking. A call to Apple
confirmed what I had suspected: the Extended Repair Program for this
failure ended last November (for me at least, being three years) and
there was simply nothing they could do for me. I'm not sure what
"extended" means as it is no lengthier than the Apple Care warranty.
So, since my original warranty, Apple Care, and the Extended Repair
Program have all lapsed, my only choices are to have someone install a
new midplane board or try to replace the capacitors myself. I noticed
that the price for the midplane board was $780 the last time I had it
replaced, so I'm not really considering that option. I suppose I could
pay the repair shop to replace the capacitors (Alpha Computer in
Richland WA, if you're out there reading this, Mindy), but I expect the
bill would also be pretty hefty.
Being an electrical engineer, I have no qualms about pulling the board
and replacing the capacitors. I assume that they are commonly available
electrolytics and shouldn't be hard to find. I also have the 45-page
document from Apple describing the board replacement process (from when
this was considered to be a fix-it-yourself machine).
Has anyone performed this procedure? Any hints or tips to pass along?
Also, I know that the inverter is not 100% (bright bar along the bottom
of the screen and buzzing since day one) but it was never bad enough to
get covered by the repair program. Does anyone know of a source for a
661-3623?
Wish me luck...
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Bream Rockmetteller
Donaldson's Dog Joy
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Since: Apr 23, 2007 Posts: 10
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:58 am
Post subject: Re: Repairing Midplane on G5 iMac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On 24 Feb, 19:48, Bream Rockmetteller
<bream(dot)rockmetteller(at)mac(dot)com> wrote:
> I'm about to embark on an adventure and was wondering if anyone has had
> any experience with this.
>
> I bought one of the original G5 iMacs back in November 2004. It has had
> the power supply replaced and the mid plane replaced twice due to
> faulty capacitors. The bad capacitors were easy to identify due to the
> marking on the top surface and, when I got the second replacement back,
> I looked inside and found three suspicious capacitors. Now, a year
> later, those three capacitors are bulging and leaking. A call to Apple
> confirmed what I had suspected: the Extended Repair Program for this
> failure ended last November (for me at least, being three years) and
> there was simply nothing they could do for me. I'm not sure what
> "extended" means as it is no lengthier than the Apple Care warranty.
>
> So, since my original warranty, Apple Care, and the Extended Repair
> Program have all lapsed, my only choices are to have someone install a
> new midplane board or try to replace the capacitors myself. I noticed
> that the price for the midplane board was $780 the last time I had it
> replaced, so I'm not really considering that option. I suppose I could
> pay the repair shop to replace the capacitors (Alpha Computer in
> Richland WA, if you're out there reading this, Mindy), but I expect the
> bill would also be pretty hefty.
>
> Being an electrical engineer, I have no qualms about pulling the board
> and replacing the capacitors. I assume that they are commonly available
> electrolytics and shouldn't be hard to find. I also have the 45-page
> document from Apple describing the board replacement process (from when
> this was considered to be a fix-it-yourself machine).
>
> Has anyone performed this procedure? Any hints or tips to pass along?
>
> Also, I know that the inverter is not 100% (bright bar along the bottom
> of the screen and buzzing since day one) but it was never bad enough to
> get covered by the repair program. Does anyone know of a source for a
> 661-3623?
>
> Wish me luck...
> --
> Bream Rockmetteller
> Donaldson's Dog Joy
> 509-450-0301
this is probably obvious, but i remember thinking "why on earth didn't
i think of that?" when I first heard it...
if you're replacing dodgy capacitors on a motherboard, don't mess
about trying to unsolder surface mount stuff. instead, grip the cap
firmly with pliers and pull it off vertically: you should end up with
the soldered legs remaining firmly attached to the motherboard, and
the cap itself lifting off cleanly. solder the new cap to the
existing legs. this is much easier than trying to solder to
motherboard traces and removes the risk of heat damage to the board.
you might want to practice this on some dead hardware the first time,
though!
ric >> Stay informed about: Repairing Midplane on G5 iMac |
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Since: Dec 12, 2007 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:11 am
Post subject: Re: Repairing Midplane on G5 iMac [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On 2008-02-25 03:58:01 -0800, ric <publicmail.DeleteThis@infobubble.co.uk> said:
> On 24 Feb, 19:48, Bream Rockmetteller
> <bream(dot)rockmetteller(at)mac(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>> Being an electrical engineer, I have no qualms about pulling the board
>> and replacing the capacitors. I assume that they are commonly available
>> electrolytics and shouldn't be hard to find. I also have the 45-page
>> document from Apple describing the board replacement process (from when
>> this was considered to be a fix-it-yourself machine).
>>
>> Has anyone performed this procedure? Any hints or tips to pass along?
>
> this is probably obvious, but i remember thinking "why on earth didn't
> i think of that?" when I first heard it...
>
> if you're replacing dodgy capacitors on a motherboard, don't mess
> about trying to unsolder surface mount stuff. instead, grip the cap
> firmly with pliers and pull it off vertically: you should end up with
> the soldered legs remaining firmly attached to the motherboard, and
> the cap itself lifting off cleanly. solder the new cap to the
> existing legs. this is much easier than trying to solder to
> motherboard traces and removes the risk of heat damage to the board.
>
> you might want to practice this on some dead hardware the first time,
> though!
> ric
Thanks Ric! These are big electrolytic capacitors that are soldered
through holes in the board, not surface mount. I plan to use the good
old Solder Wick to remove them. Sad to think about how many hours of
experience I've got doing this sort of thing...
I've already run into a delay. There's a small board with what appears
to be an oscillator attached to the mother board with two tiny Torx
screws. A single black wire comes off of this board and enters a hole
in the midplane frame, preventing me from lifting the mother board from
the frame. I've got no Torx driver that small and none of my Allen
wrenches are the right size, so it's off to Sears to buy a tool.
--
Bream Rockmetteler
Donaldson's Dog Joy
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Since: Dec 12, 2007 Posts: 6
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:26 am
Post subject: Re: Repairing Midplane on G5 iMac... the continuing saga [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On 2008-02-25 08:11:20 -0800, Bream Rockmetteller
<bream(dot)rockmetteller(at)mac.com> said:
> On 2008-02-25 03:58:01 -0800, ric <publicmail.RemoveThis@infobubble.co.uk> said:
>
>> On 24 Feb, 19:48, Bream Rockmetteller
>> <bream(dot)rockmetteller(at)mac(dot)com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Being an electrical engineer, I have no qualms about pulling the board
>>> and replacing the capacitors.
>>> I've already run into a delay. There's a small board with what appears
>>> to be an oscillator attached to the mother board with two tiny Torx
>>> screws. A single black wire comes off of this board and enters a hole
>>> in the midplane frame, preventing me from lifting the mother board from
>>> the frame. I've got no Torx driver that small and none of my Allen
>>> wrenches are the right size, so it's off to Sears to buy a tool.
The required tool was a T6 Torx driver. Got the daughter board off,
flipped the mother board over and began to de-solder. Unfortunately,
whatever solder is used in the automated assembly process melts at a
temperature higher than my iron can produce! I have an old Weller
TC201/TC202... perhaps it's time to find something newer.
One thing I noticed right away is that two of the capacitors had
already been manually replaced on this board, and there's a big yellow
stain on the frame inder the capacitors. The old Weller easily melts
the solder on the replacement capacitors.
I also found that, this capacitor problem being so widespread,
replacement components are readily available. Although I picked up some
not-quite-the-right-temperature-range capacitors at Radio Shack, I'm
glad that I was unable to swap them in. I found perfect replacements
through (of all places) Amazon. Even with shipping I paid less than I
paid at Radio Shack.
Any suggestions for a new soldering iron?
--
Bream Rockmetteler
Donaldson's Dog Joy
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