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Brian Rost

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:00 pm
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I need to buy an external HD to use strictly for backing up the internal
drive of my FP iMac with Retrospect. Right now I'm using CD-Rs and it
takes forever, plus I've had the nightmare of being on the "last CD
needed" only to hit some bad blanks wasting even more of my time.

I've been eyeing these "pocket drives" type HDs that can supposedly be
powered off the Firewire port and are quite small. Of course, they cost
more (like 2-4x!!) per GB but the convenience of just plugging in one
cable to do the backup is appealing plus it makes off-site storage of
the backup easier to deal with.

What I'm wondering is how reliable these HDs are and does the port
powered feature really work OK? I'm a newbie to Firewire having just
upgraded from a first generation (SCSI only) PMac this spring.

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Brian Rost
Stargen, Inc.

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Bob Harris

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 12:46 am
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In article <3F4A4ECE.8020305.DeleteThis@stargen.com>,
Brian Rost <rost.DeleteThis@stargen.com> wrote:

 > I need to buy an external HD to use strictly for backing up the internal
 > drive of my FP iMac with Retrospect. Right now I'm using CD-Rs and it
 > takes forever, plus I've had the nightmare of being on the "last CD
 > needed" only to hit some bad blanks wasting even more of my time.
 >
 > I've been eyeing these "pocket drives" type HDs that can supposedly be
 > powered off the Firewire port and are quite small. Of course, they cost
 > more (like 2-4x!!) per GB but the convenience of just plugging in one
 > cable to do the backup is appealing plus it makes off-site storage of
 > the backup easier to deal with.
 >
 > What I'm wondering is how reliable these HDs are and does the port
 > powered feature really work OK? I'm a newbie to Firewire having just
 > upgraded from a first generation (SCSI only) PMac this spring.

I use a 120GB internal disk in a Firewire enclosure as my backup device.
Retrospect Express is my backup utility (I backup to a compressed
container file).

I move the drive between my Pismo (Powerbook G3/500/Firewire), my Wife's
iBook, and a Blue & White G3 (which has a 3rd party PCI firewire card).

As for cost. You can get an enclosure in the range of $50-$80
<dealmac.com>. You can pickup a 120GB internal disk in the price range
of $100 (with rebates) Again look on <dealmac.com>.

These systems are _NOT_ bus powered, but they work nicely. They also
work fast. Much better than burning CDs or DVDs.

I also have a bus powered 2 1/2 external enclosure where I put a 20GB
disk that I removed from the Pismo when I upgraded it to a 48GB disk.
The enclosure is small and it does work well, _BUT_ 2 1/2 disks are more
expensive than 3 1/2 disks, generally have smaller RAM caches, and
generally have slower seek times.

Putting any of the disks into an external enclosure was a painless
operation. Plugging in the Firewire cable is painless. _BUT_ _DO_
_NOT_ unplug the firewire cable or power down the firewire until _AFTER_
you tell Mac OS X to unmount the file system, otherwise it gets rather
upset at you. Just treat it like a floppy and unmount it first before
unplugging or powering down.

Good luck.

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H.B. Elkins

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:26 pm
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Brian Rost <rost.DeleteThis@stargen.com> wrote:

 >What I'm wondering is how reliable these HDs are and does the port
 >powered feature really work OK? I'm a newbie to Firewire having just
 >upgraded from a first generation (SCSI only) PMac this spring.

I have a LaCie PocketDrive 20 GB portable drive. It's FireWire
(port-powered) and also has USB (2.0, I think) and has a power adapter
for use with the USB interface or when connected via FireWire PCMCIA
card to a Powerbook with non-native FW.

I love this little device. It has served me well when I was shuttling
data and apps between my home Mac and the Quicksilver G4 I used to use
at my former work site.

There is even enough juice passing through the FW bus when this thing
is connected to my iBook to run an MCE Lucid FW-powered CD-RW burner.

I could not be happier with this little treat and would love to have
one with larger capacity. I guess I could replace the drive with any
laptop drive if I wasn't afraid of tearing up the thing.

If you have the money a large capacity drive woudl cost, go for it.
I'm well-satisified with mine.


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:29 pm
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Bob Harris <harris.RemoveThis@zk3.dec.com> wrote:

 >I also have a bus powered 2 1/2 external enclosure where I put a 20GB
 >disk that I removed from the Pismo when I upgraded it to a 48GB disk.
 >The enclosure is small and it does work well, _BUT_ 2 1/2 disks are more
 >expensive than 3 1/2 disks, generally have smaller RAM caches, and
 >generally have slower seek times.

Care to share what kind of enclosure you have and where you got it?
Getting an enclosure and a 2.5" hard drive might be a cheaper
alternative than buying a new Pocket Drive or equivalent, already
pre-assembled.

I, too, have a FW box into which I put a standard IDE drive and I use
it on my home system. I'm well-pleased with it, too, but it's
definitely not as portable as the Pocket Drive.


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H.B. Elkins -- Beattyville, KY
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.millenniumhwy.net" target="_blank">http://www.millenniumhwy.net</a> hbelkins(at)mis.net

"There's no doubt he's the best race driver in the world."
--Dale Jarrett, on the late Dale Earnhardt

Go Big Blue (Kentucky Wildcats)! Go #15 (Michael Waltrip, NAPA Chevy)!

Vote Ernie Fletcher for Governor of Kentucky! <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.fletcher2003.com" target="_blank">http://www.fletcher2003.com</a>

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 5:06 am
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In article <3f4b7c71.4608163 DeleteThis @news.newsguy.com>,
hbelkins DeleteThis @restrictorplates.mis.net (H.B. Elkins) wrote:

 > Bob Harris <harris DeleteThis @zk3.dec.com> wrote:
 >
  > >I also have a bus powered 2 1/2 external enclosure where I put a 20GB
  > >disk that I removed from the Pismo when I upgraded it to a 48GB disk.
  > >The enclosure is small and it does work well, _BUT_ 2 1/2 disks are more
  > >expensive than 3 1/2 disks, generally have smaller RAM caches, and
  > >generally have slower seek times.
 >
 > Care to share what kind of enclosure you have and where you got it?

It is called

A-TEC
Mobile Disk External Data Storage
Model HD-227-711

it is about the size of a bulky iPaq (slightly bigger than my Handspring
PDA).

I found it on <dealmac.com>. And as I said, the 20GB disk I put in it,
was the old Apple disk I took out of my Powerbook G3/500/Firewire laptop
when I upgraded it to a 48GB IBM Travelstar (again, found via
<dealmac.com>.

Bob Harris

 > Getting an enclosure and a 2.5" hard drive might be a cheaper
 > alternative than buying a new Pocket Drive or equivalent, already
 > pre-assembled.
 >
 > I, too, have a FW box into which I put a standard IDE drive and I use
 > it on my home system. I'm well-pleased with it, too, but it's
 > definitely not as portable as the Pocket Drive.
 >
 >
 > +++++++++++++++++++++++++
 > H.B. Elkins -- Beattyville, KY
 > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.millenniumhwy.net" target="_blank">http://www.millenniumhwy.net</a> hbelkins(at)mis.net
 >
 > "There's no doubt he's the best race driver in the world."
 > --Dale Jarrett, on the late Dale Earnhardt
 >
 > Go Big Blue (Kentucky Wildcats)! Go #15 (Michael Waltrip, NAPA Chevy)!
 >
<font color=purple> > Vote Ernie Fletcher for Governor of Kentucky! <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.fletcher2003.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.fletcher2003.com</font</a>>
 >
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