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Since: Nov 14, 2006 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:34 am
Post subject: Temp Files created during file creation Archived from groups: microsoft>public>win2000>macintosh (more info?)
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I have a small network consisting of 4 Mac OS X clients, and several Windows
clients. All workstations are accessing a single Windows 2K SP2 Server. My
problems is with file creation from the Mac's. When I save a file to the
server, a second hidden file with the same file name will appear, but with a
"._" before the name. For example, if I save a file called "123.ai" to the
server, that file along with a second file called "._123.ai" appears. When
saving an Illustrator file from a PC, this hidden file does not appear, only
from the Mac's.
The problem this is causing within Illustrator (all versions), is that I get
a -43 File System Error. This does not allow me to open a file from the
server and save it back to the server. If I open a file stored on another
Mac, and save it back to the Mac there is no problem. So I can only guess the
problem is with the Server.
Has anyone ever experienced this problem? Any insight will be appreciated.
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Since: Nov 10, 2006 Posts: 768
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Temp Files created during file creation [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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steve p wrote:
> I have a small network consisting of 4 Mac OS X clients, and several Windows
> clients. All workstations are accessing a single Windows 2K SP2 Server. My
> problems is with file creation from the Mac's. When I save a file to the
> server, a second hidden file with the same file name will appear, but with a
> "._" before the name. For example, if I save a file called "123.ai" to the
> server, that file along with a second file called "._123.ai" appears. When
> saving an Illustrator file from a PC, this hidden file does not appear, only
> from the Mac's.
>
> The problem this is causing within Illustrator (all versions), is that I get
> a -43 File System Error. This does not allow me to open a file from the
> server and save it back to the server. If I open a file stored on another
> Mac, and save it back to the Mac there is no problem. So I can only guess the
> problem is with the Server.
Hi Steve!
These aren't temp files. These files are created when using Mac OS X to
connect to a Windows workstation/server via SMB.
The SMB implementation in Mac OS X does not support the Mac resource
fork of a file. Apple gets around this problem by splitting the file
into a resource fork (._filename) and the data fork (filename) and
placing them both on the sever. Windows users will only see these files
if they have set their systems to view hidden files.
Rather than using Apple's SMB client I suggest you look into an
alternative SMB client called Dave from Thursby
<http://www.thursby.com>. It handles networking with a Windows machine
much better. It's worth the price just to avoid this problem and it's
more stable. Download the free trial for yourself to see if this
resolves your problem.
Hope this helps! bill
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William M. Smith
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Since: Nov 14, 2006 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Temp Files created during file creation [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Bill,
Thanks for the info. Is there no other way around this problem without the
3rd party software though? I am having a hard time swallowing the fact that I
can't simply open an Illustrator file from the server and save it when I'm
done using the OS software out of the box. This is a pretty standard task,
and you would think that Apple would address this compatability issue.
Thanks again, and please share any further insight....
"William Smith" wrote:
> In article ,
> steve p wrote:
>
> > I have a small network consisting of 4 Mac OS X clients, and several Windows
> > clients. All workstations are accessing a single Windows 2K SP2 Server. My
> > problems is with file creation from the Mac's. When I save a file to the
> > server, a second hidden file with the same file name will appear, but with a
> > "._" before the name. For example, if I save a file called "123.ai" to the
> > server, that file along with a second file called "._123.ai" appears. When
> > saving an Illustrator file from a PC, this hidden file does not appear, only
> > from the Mac's.
> >
> > The problem this is causing within Illustrator (all versions), is that I get
> > a -43 File System Error. This does not allow me to open a file from the
> > server and save it back to the server. If I open a file stored on another
> > Mac, and save it back to the Mac there is no problem. So I can only guess the
> > problem is with the Server.
>
> Hi Steve!
>
> These aren't temp files. These files are created when using Mac OS X to
> connect to a Windows workstation/server via SMB.
>
> The SMB implementation in Mac OS X does not support the Mac resource
> fork of a file. Apple gets around this problem by splitting the file
> into a resource fork (._filename) and the data fork (filename) and
> placing them both on the sever. Windows users will only see these files
> if they have set their systems to view hidden files.
>
> Rather than using Apple's SMB client I suggest you look into an
> alternative SMB client called Dave from Thursby
> <http://www.thursby.com>. It handles networking with a Windows machine
> much better. It's worth the price just to avoid this problem and it's
> more stable. Download the free trial for yourself to see if this
> resolves your problem.
>
> Hope this helps! bill
> --
> William M. Smith
> (Microsoft Interop MVP - Mac/Windows)
> >> Stay informed about: Temp Files created during file creation |
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Since: Nov 10, 2006 Posts: 768
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Temp Files created during file creation [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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In article ,
steve p wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Thanks for the info. Is there no other way around this problem without the
> 3rd party software though? I am having a hard time swallowing the fact that I
> can't simply open an Illustrator file from the server and save it when I'm
> done using the OS software out of the box. This is a pretty standard task,
> and you would think that Apple would address this compatability issue.
>
> Thanks again, and please share any further insight....
Hi Steve!
Simply put, Apple's implementation of SMB is just clunky. While I would
say you can easily use it for copying files on a fairly regular basis,
the two-part file implementation can cause problems when trying to open
files over this connection. Possibly Apple will change this behavior in
Mac OS X 10.5 but that's a speculation and it won't be released until
early next year.
bill
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Since: Nov 14, 2006 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:03 am
Post subject: Re: Temp Files created during file creation [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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After reading some of your other threads, I tried an afp connection to the
server. (afp://serverIPaddress) This fixed the fork problem, but has long
file name limitations. I think that is the only difference. Not really a big
deal on my end.
Anyway, just wanted to say thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
"William Smith" wrote:
> In article ,
> steve p wrote:
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> > Bill,
> >
> > Thanks for the info. Is there no other way around this problem without the
> > 3rd party software though? I am having a hard time swallowing the fact that I
> > can't simply open an Illustrator file from the server and save it when I'm
> > done using the OS software out of the box. This is a pretty standard task,
> > and you would think that Apple would address this compatability issue.
> >
> > Thanks again, and please share any further insight....
>
> Hi Steve!
>
> Simply put, Apple's implementation of SMB is just clunky. While I would
> say you can easily use it for copying files on a fairly regular basis,
> the two-part file implementation can cause problems when trying to open
> files over this connection. Possibly Apple will change this behavior in
> Mac OS X 10.5 but that's a speculation and it won't be released until
> early next year.
>
> bill
> --
> William M. Smith
> (Microsoft Interop MVP - Mac/Windows)
> >> Stay informed about: Temp Files created during file creation |
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