USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin

Hi I have tried this on my Mac with VIRTUAL PC 7 with SP2 installed & It
works for me(USB 2.0)



On 17/3/05 4:30 AM, in article BE5DF36F.A4C%sp2tech@msn.com, "Paul"
wrote:

 > There have been a LOT of posts lately from people who are trying to get
 > these devices working in VPC. I think it's time for a little clarification:
 >
 > Virtual PC does NOT recognize USB driver 2.0....only USB 1.1
 >
 > IF your device uses USB 2.0 driver ONLY and is not backward compatible to
 > USB 1.1, then VPC will do one of two things:
 > 1. It will report your device as an unknown USB device
 > 2. It will show your device in USB settings but will not communicate with
 > it.
 >
 > In order to get any of these devices to work, you will need to use USB
 > driver 1.1 exclusively. Contact your manufacturer for assistance.
 >
 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin 

That's great, Jai

Would you be willing to share your experience with us?

What Mac OS are you running?
What version of VPC.....7.0 or 7.0.1?
What version of Windows? XP Pro or XP Home?
What make and model is your device?

Does the device you are using support backward compatibility to USB 1.1?

These are ALL very key questions that relate specifically to my posting and
I would really appreciate your input.

Thanks

Paul


On 3/16/05 11:23 PM, in article BE5F3569.748% , "Jai
Raeder" wrote:

 > Hi I have tried this on my Mac with VIRTUAL PC 7 with SP2 installed & It
 > works for me(USB 2.0)
 >
 >
 >


 >
  >> There have been a LOT of posts lately from people who are trying to get
  >> these devices working in VPC. I think it's time for a little clarification:
  >>
  >> Virtual PC does NOT recognize USB driver 2.0....only USB 1.1
  >>
  >> IF your device uses USB 2.0 driver ONLY and is not backward compatible to
  >> USB 1.1, then VPC will do one of two things:
  >> 1. It will report your device as an unknown USB device
  >> 2. It will show your device in USB settings but will not communicate with
  >> it.
  >>
  >> In order to get any of these devices to work, you will need to use USB
  >> driver 1.1 exclusively. Contact your manufacturer for assistance.
  >>
 >
 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin 

Okay, that explains why I can't get my BlackBerry to work in VPC 7/Win
XP, but is this something that Microsoft is working to FIX?

There are probably a lot of us who bought VPC so that we can interface
with these handheld products using their manufacturer's Windows-only
software. I, for one, feel like I didn't get what I paid for.


In article , Paul
wrote:

 > There have been a LOT of posts lately from people who are trying to get
 > these devices working in VPC. I think it's time for a little clarification:
 >
 > Virtual PC does NOT recognize USB driver 2.0....only USB 1.1
 >
 > IF your device uses USB 2.0 driver ONLY and is not backward compatible to
 > USB 1.1, then VPC will do one of two things:
 > 1. It will report your device as an unknown USB device
 > 2. It will show your device in USB settings but will not communicate with
 > it.
 >
 > In order to get any of these devices to work, you will need to use USB
 > driver 1.1 exclusively. Contact your manufacturer for assistance.
 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin 

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:46:19 -0800, GParks
wrote:

 >Okay, that explains why I can't get my BlackBerry to work in VPC 7/Win
 >XP, but is this something that Microsoft is working to FIX?
 >
 >There are probably a lot of us who bought VPC so that we can interface
 >with these handheld products using their manufacturer's Windows-only
 >software. I, for one, feel like I didn't get what I paid for.
 >
Microsoft does offer a refund policy, 30days IIRC, and also posts a
limited list of known working/non-working USB devices for VPC.
<a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/virtualpc.aspx?pid=compat" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/virtualpc.aspx?pid=compat</a>



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 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin 

This article might help. I have not tired it personally, but it does make
sense as it bypasses the USB port constriction.

<a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.gpsinformation.org/joe/mac2garminsetup.html" target="_blank">http://www.gpsinformation.org/joe/mac2garminsetup.html</a>




On 3/18/05 3:46 PM, in article
Greg-2C83C8.11461918032005 RemoveThis @msnews.microsoft.com, "GParks"
wrote:

 > Okay, that explains why I can't get my BlackBerry to work in VPC 7/Win
 > XP, but is this something that Microsoft is working to FIX?
 >
 > There are probably a lot of us who bought VPC so that we can interface
 > with these handheld products using their manufacturer's Windows-only
 > software. I, for one, feel like I didn't get what I paid for.
 >
 >

 > wrote:
 >
  >> There have been a LOT of posts lately from people who are trying to get
  >> these devices working in VPC. I think it's time for a little clarification:
  >>
  >> Virtual PC does NOT recognize USB driver 2.0....only USB 1.1
  >>
  >> IF your device uses USB 2.0 driver ONLY and is not backward compatible to
  >> USB 1.1, then VPC will do one of two things:
  >> 1. It will report your device as an unknown USB device
  >> 2. It will show your device in USB settings but will not communicate with
  >> it.
  >>
  >> In order to get any of these devices to work, you will need to use USB
  >> driver 1.1 exclusively. Contact your manufacturer for assistance.
 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin 

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:58:03 -0400, Paul wrote:

 >This article might help. I have not tired it personally, but it does make
 >sense as it bypasses the USB port constriction.
 >
 >http://www.gpsinformation.org/joe/mac2garminsetup.html
 >
 >
I've also added this link to my website for easy future access.



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Website: <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.essjae.com" target="_blank">http://www.essjae.com</a>
"This posting is provided "AS IS" with
no warranties, and confers no rights.
You assume all risk for your use."
 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin 

Okay... so who among you has given up to the point of purchasing the
James Associates MacGPSPro product? If anybody has, would you purchase
any additional maps, like National Geographic's topo maps, in the PC
form or Mac form?

Paul wrote:
 > There have been a LOT of posts lately from people who are trying to
get
 > these devices working in VPC. I think it's time for a little
clarification:
 >
 > Virtual PC does NOT recognize USB driver 2.0....only USB 1.1
 >
 > IF your device uses USB 2.0 driver ONLY and is not backward
compatible to
 > USB 1.1, then VPC will do one of two things:
 > 1. It will report your device as an unknown USB device
 > 2. It will show your device in USB settings but will not communicate
with
 > it.
 >
 > In order to get any of these devices to work, you will need to use
USB
 > driver 1.1 exclusively. Contact your manufacturer for assistance.
 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin 

An addendum: Check out <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.gpsinformation.org/joe/mac2garminsetup.html" target="_blank">www.gpsinformation.org/joe/mac2garminsetup.html</a>
for a note on one person's success.
Steve Jain wrote:
 > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:46:19 -0800, GParks

 >
  > >Okay, that explains why I can't get my BlackBerry to work in VPC
7/Win
  > >XP, but is this something that Microsoft is working to FIX?
  > >
  > >There are probably a lot of us who bought VPC so that we can
interface
  > >with these handheld products using their manufacturer's Windows-only

  > >software. I, for one, feel like I didn't get what I paid for.
  > >
 > Microsoft does offer a refund policy, 30days IIRC, and also posts a
 > limited list of known working/non-working USB devices for VPC.
 >
<a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/virtualpc.aspx?pid=compat" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/virtualpc.aspx?pid=compat</a>
 >
 >
 >
 > --
 > Cheers,
 > Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
<font color=purple> > Website: <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.essjae.com</font" target="_blank">http://www.essjae.com</font</a>>
 > "This posting is provided "AS IS" with
 > no warranties, and confers no rights.
 > You assume all risk for your use."
 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin 

Hi, I am new to this group and to GPS usage, and maybe I can help, and maybe be helped. Three weeks ago I bought a Garmin GPSMAP76CS and tried to connect it with my two macs. Here are the results up to now;

1) PowerBook G4, 15" titanium running OS 9.2.2 and VPC 6.1.1 with Windows 98 and MapSource 6.5 + GPS connected through USB port: works like a charm and is fast. I was able to update the firmware on the GPS to version 3.70. I hate having to reboot from OS 9.2.2, but it works.

2) PowerBook G4, 15" titanium running OSX 10.3.8 and VPC 6.1.1 with Windows 98 and MapSource 6.5 (same virtual machine as in 1 but run under OSX)) + GPS connected serially with Keyspan serial adaptor USA19HS using first method described in Keyspan manual + no mouse connected to the computer: worked fine up to now with a transfer from the GPS that took a little more than 5 minutes (long tracks and waypoints). Slow but it works.

3) Same as in 2) but with a mouse connected to the computer: communication aborted a few times. Longest transfer I was able to do from the GPS lasted 4 minutes. Could not accomplish the 5 minute transfer as in 2) (same tracks and waypoints); When I remove the mouse, it works fine. I did not test this extensively though. Conclusion: a mouse connected to the PowerBook seems to somehow interfere with the communication link. Strange!

4) Dual G5 running OSX 10.3.8 and VPC 7.0.1 with XP Pro and MapSource 6.5 + GPS connected through USB port: Windows XP Pro sees the GPS and identifies it properly as a Garmin USB GPS in the device manager BUT MapSource cannot see it?? Seems to be a problem with MapSource. We're almost there!

5) Same as in 4), but with the GPS connected serially through the Keyspan adaptor: Windows XP Pro and MapSource see the GPS without difficulty, transfer initiates but interrupts almost immediately. I have tried again and again to transfer the data from the GPS, but it just won't work. MapSource keeps on giving me an error message and telling me that if this persists, I may have to turn off and on the GPS. It does not work. Again, close but not there yet!

6) MacGPS Pro with Keyspan adaptor on both computers on OSX: works fine.

If anyone finds how to establish a reliable communication between G5 and MapSource, please just let me know, the G5 is much more fun to work with than OS9 on the PowerBook. I read somewhere on the internet in the past two weeks that the IOGEAR serial adaptor may be more reliable than the Keyspan, but the post didn't say if the computer was a PowerBook or a G5 or another desktop Mac. the Keyspan works with my PowerBook but not with the G5 in my case; would it be the same with the IOGEAR? If someone knows, please let me know. Also, will changing the communication parameters in the serial interface help (stop bits, Xon/Xoff, and all that stuff)? If the mouse really interferes with the communication, is there a way to disable it during the transfer?

Voilà! Thanks for your inputs.

Daniel
 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin 

In article ,
DanAhun <UseLinkToEmail RemoveThis @MacForumz.com> wrote:

 > 1) PowerBook G4, 15" titanium running OS 9.2.2 and VPC 6.1.1 with
 > Windows 98 and MapSource 6.5 + GPS connected through USB port: works
 > like a charm and is fast. I was able to update the firmware on the GPS
 > to version 3.70. I hate having to reboot from OS 9.2.2, but it works.

Oddly, it seems that some have reported success with such a setup, but
it doesn't seem to work under 9.1. The only Mac I still have that boots
under 9.x is an old 8600, which *doesn't* work under anything later than
9.1

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 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin 

My PowerBook is one of the last to be able to boot from OS9. It is a 667MHz, with titanium case that is easy to scratch. It came with OS9 install disks (together with OSX). Now, until I bought the Garmin GPS, I had never booted from OS9 and when I tried this two weeks ago, I could not: the computer would crash at startup even when turning extensions off. I reformatted the whole thing, installed OS9 from the CDs, then reinstalled OSX and cloned my data. It works fine now.

What I just can't understand is why Apple did not solve the USB-Garmin problem: it works just fine in OS9 and not at all in OSX 10.3.8. In both cases I am using the very same Virtual PC 6.1.1 with the very same PC disk on the very same computer. The only difference, is that I boot with a different system. Apple changed something between OS9 and OSX and they have not solved it! Garmin may be to blame, but Apple is the first culprit.

Daniel
 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin 

Thre seems to some confusion here. First, many of us own Garmin units
such as Quest that ARE USB ONLY. Therefore, using a USB-serial adapter
is of no use.

Somehow, Virtual PC does not support USB 2.0 drivers. We are screwewd
until Microsoft wakes up and solves this problem.

Tom Casselman
 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin 

I don't know about drivers versions and driver programming, but I guess you are right in theory. If you use a Mac that can boot in OS9 and use VPC 6.1.1, your USB connection will work (it does for me). If you try the exact same setup in OSX, VPC sees the USB GPS, but somehow MapSource running in VPC does not see the GPS. The only difference here is the OS from which you boot. The serial device is just a trick to be able to use a USB GPS with OSX. Its a waste of money, but required if you want to work in OSX with VPC 6.1.1. As for VPC 7.0, I could not find the way to make it work on a G5. I am still waiting for some help.

If Apple would just review its USB-OSX interface the way it worked in OS9, then we should expect VPC 6.1.1 with MapSource to work just as well in OSX as it does in OS9. That would be a step in the right direction. I think that the problem solving must start here. It has to be simple, all the information exist.

The second step would be to test VPC 7.0. If Apple solves the problem for OSX and VPC 6.1.1, but the fix does not work with VPC 7.0, then we should expect Microsoft to look at its software.

Of course, in an ideal world, Apple, Microsoft and Garmin would talk to each other a few minutes and probably solve the problem in less than a day. Anyway, Apple is not helping its cause: it wants to convert PC users to the Mac, but from what I have read on the web, many Garmin users ended up buying a PC to be able to use their GPS. I think I 'll end up doing the same in a not too distant future. Wouldn't that money be better spent on Mac software and peripherals?

Daniel
 >> Stay informed about: USB devices and Virtual PC...especially Garmin