X11 Problem

In article <6aodgfp3ei.fsf DeleteThis @ethel.the.log>,
Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> George Graves <gmgraves2 DeleteThis @comcast.net> writes:
>
> > I don't know if this is the correct NG for this Q, here goes. If I'm
> > off-base, just tell me so.
> >
> > I'm running OSX v.10.4.10 and I have a number of X11 apps running under
> > XDarwin/X11.
> >
> > At one time, they worked as advertised, but somewhere along the way, the
> > following has come to pass:
> >
> > I launch, say, Gimp, and X11 launches as does the app. But I never see the
> > app, merely the Aqua menu bar and the blue Apple and the application name.
> > Under the app name I have:
> >
> > Services
> > Hide Gimp
> > Hide others
> > Quit
> >
> > But I never see the menus or windows for the actual application even though
> > it's ostensibly open.
> >
> > I have done the following:
> >
> > Installed latest X11, latest versions of the affected apps (GIMP, Scribus,
> > Inkscape)
> >
> > Tried starting apps under a fresh account.
> >
> > Anybody seen this? What's causing it?
>
> My first guess would be that you are running X11 in full screen mode.
>
> The X11 icon should be in your dock. Click on it, and then examine
> Preferences -> Output.
>
> (If the X11 icon _isn't_ in your dock, then I dont' know how the Gimp
> can even be starting up.)

George,

Quick check of the Gimp on my 12" PowerBook... double click the Gimp.
Gimp launches, then X11 (hiding the Gimp menu bar), then a terminal
window appears, then the Gimp windows. The Gimp app is still hanging
around, but its menu bar is not really used. E.g. "Hide Gimp" does
nothing apparent.

So you are looking at the Gimp menu bar, which you don't want. You need
to bring X11 to the foreground, at which time the Gimp windows &
palettes should also appear.

When you just launch X11 by itself, do you get a single
terminal-emulator window? You should. Does X11 go immediately into the
background?? If so, bring it to the foreground, get a terminal with
cmd-N, and then quit (to update its prefs). Maybe that fixes it.


Mac Dude
 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem 

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:20:37 -0700, Doug Anderson wrote
(in article <6aodgfp3ei.fsf.RemoveThis@ethel.the.log>):

> George Graves <gmgraves2.RemoveThis@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> I don't know if this is the correct NG for this Q, here goes. If I'm
>> off-base, just tell me so.
>>
>> I'm running OSX v.10.4.10 and I have a number of X11 apps running under
>> XDarwin/X11.
>>
>> At one time, they worked as advertised, but somewhere along the way, the
>> following has come to pass:
>>
>> I launch, say, Gimp, and X11 launches as does the app. But I never see the
>> app, merely the Aqua menu bar and the blue Apple and the application name.
>> Under the app name I have:
>>
>> Services
>> Hide Gimp
>> Hide others
>> Quit
>>
>> But I never see the menus or windows for the actual application even though
>> it's ostensibly open.
>>
>> I have done the following:
>>
>> Installed latest X11, latest versions of the affected apps (GIMP, Scribus,
>> Inkscape)
>>
>> Tried starting apps under a fresh account.
>>
>> Anybody seen this? What's causing it?
>
> My first guess would be that you are running X11 in full screen mode.
>
> The X11 icon should be in your dock. Click on it, and then examine
> Preferences -> Output.
>
> (If the X11 icon _isn't_ in your dock, then I dont' know how the Gimp
> can even be starting up.)

It's not in my dock. Even when Gimp/Inkscape etc. is shown to be running.
But when I download the X11 2006 update, it tells me that this system doesn't
need it. But I can no longer find an application called X11 anywhere on My
HDD, although I can find an app called XDarwin and there are a number of
resource folders called X11. What gives?
 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem 

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:55:34 -0700, Mac Dude wrote
(in article <do-160996.22553406092007 RemoveThis @news.stanford.edu>):

> In article <6aodgfp3ei.fsf RemoveThis @ethel.the.log>,
> Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> George Graves <gmgraves2 RemoveThis @comcast.net> writes:
>>
>>> I don't know if this is the correct NG for this Q, here goes. If I'm
>>> off-base, just tell me so.
>>>
>>> I'm running OSX v.10.4.10 and I have a number of X11 apps running under
>>> XDarwin/X11.
>>>
>>> At one time, they worked as advertised, but somewhere along the way, the
>>> following has come to pass:
>>>
>>> I launch, say, Gimp, and X11 launches as does the app. But I never see the
>>> app, merely the Aqua menu bar and the blue Apple and the application name.
>>> Under the app name I have:
>>>
>>> Services
>>> Hide Gimp
>>> Hide others
>>> Quit
>>>
>>> But I never see the menus or windows for the actual application even
>>> though
>>> it's ostensibly open.
>>>
>>> I have done the following:
>>>
>>> Installed latest X11, latest versions of the affected apps (GIMP, Scribus,
>>> Inkscape)
>>>
>>> Tried starting apps under a fresh account.
>>>
>>> Anybody seen this? What's causing it?
>>
>> My first guess would be that you are running X11 in full screen mode.
>>
>> The X11 icon should be in your dock. Click on it, and then examine
>> Preferences -> Output.
>>
>> (If the X11 icon _isn't_ in your dock, then I dont' know how the Gimp
>> can even be starting up.)
>
> George,
>
> Quick check of the Gimp on my 12" PowerBook... double click the Gimp.
> Gimp launches, then X11 (hiding the Gimp menu bar), then a terminal
> window appears, then the Gimp windows. The Gimp app is still hanging
> around, but its menu bar is not really used. E.g. "Hide Gimp" does
> nothing apparent.
>
> So you are looking at the Gimp menu bar, which you don't want. You need
> to bring X11 to the foreground, at which time the Gimp windows &
> palettes should also appear.
>
> When you just launch X11 by itself, do you get a single
> terminal-emulator window? You should. Does X11 go immediately into the
> background?? If so, bring it to the foreground, get a terminal with
> cmd-N, and then quit (to update its prefs). Maybe that fixes it.
>
>
> Mac Dude

I can no longer find an application on my HDD called X11!!???? There are
libraries and other support files called with the name X11, and there is an
app called XDarwin, but no X11!
 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem 

Sonnova <sonnova DeleteThis @audiosanatorium.com> writes:

> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:55:34 -0700, Mac Dude wrote
> (in article <do-160996.22553406092007 DeleteThis @news.stanford.edu>):
>
> > In article <6aodgfp3ei.fsf DeleteThis @ethel.the.log>,
> > Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> George Graves <gmgraves2 DeleteThis @comcast.net> writes:
> >>
> >>> I don't know if this is the correct NG for this Q, here goes. If I'm
> >>> off-base, just tell me so.
> >>>
> >>> I'm running OSX v.10.4.10 and I have a number of X11 apps running under
> >>> XDarwin/X11.
> >>>
> >>> At one time, they worked as advertised, but somewhere along the way, the
> >>> following has come to pass:
> >>>
> >>> I launch, say, Gimp, and X11 launches as does the app. But I never see the
> >>> app, merely the Aqua menu bar and the blue Apple and the application name.
> >>> Under the app name I have:
> >>>
> >>> Services
> >>> Hide Gimp
> >>> Hide others
> >>> Quit
> >>>
> >>> But I never see the menus or windows for the actual application even
> >>> though
> >>> it's ostensibly open.
> >>>
> >>> I have done the following:
> >>>
> >>> Installed latest X11, latest versions of the affected apps (GIMP, Scribus,
> >>> Inkscape)
> >>>
> >>> Tried starting apps under a fresh account.
> >>>
> >>> Anybody seen this? What's causing it?
> >>
> >> My first guess would be that you are running X11 in full screen mode.
> >>
> >> The X11 icon should be in your dock. Click on it, and then examine
> >> Preferences -> Output.
> >>
> >> (If the X11 icon _isn't_ in your dock, then I dont' know how the Gimp
> >> can even be starting up.)
> >
> > George,
> >
> > Quick check of the Gimp on my 12" PowerBook... double click the Gimp.
> > Gimp launches, then X11 (hiding the Gimp menu bar), then a terminal
> > window appears, then the Gimp windows. The Gimp app is still hanging
> > around, but its menu bar is not really used. E.g. "Hide Gimp" does
> > nothing apparent.
> >
> > So you are looking at the Gimp menu bar, which you don't want. You need
> > to bring X11 to the foreground, at which time the Gimp windows &
> > palettes should also appear.
> >
> > When you just launch X11 by itself, do you get a single
> > terminal-emulator window? You should. Does X11 go immediately into the
> > background?? If so, bring it to the foreground, get a terminal with
> > cmd-N, and then quit (to update its prefs). Maybe that fixes it.
> >
> >
> > Mac Dude
>
> I can no longer find an application on my HDD called X11!!???? There are
> libraries and other support files called with the name X11, and there is an
> app called XDarwin, but no X11!

I _think_ the point of XDarwin is to run X11 on your mac without
running Aqua (the normal OS X interface) at the same time.

I would prefer to run X11 (which is an optional apple supplied package
on your Tiger install disk(s)) myself, but maybe that is just because
I'm unfamiliar with XDarwin, and unaware of any advantages it offers.

I still suspect the problem may be that XDarwin is running in
full-screen mode, and you just can see it. What happens when (instead
of starting gimp) you double click on the XDarwin icon in your
Applications folder?

Does the XDarwin icon appear in your dock? Can you get to XDarwin
preferences?
 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem 

In article <0001HW.C30657F104EAD79FF0182648.DeleteThis@news.comcast.net>,
Sonnova <sonnova.DeleteThis@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:

> But I can no longer find an application called X11 anywhere on My
> HDD, although I can find an app called XDarwin and there are a number of
> resource folders called X11. What gives?

If you're running Mac OS X 10.4.x, 'X11' should be located in your
'/Applications/Utilities' folder. Earlier versions of Mac OS X had the
file in the '/Applications' folder.

--
Tom Stiller

PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF
 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem 

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:46:25 -0700, Doug Anderson wrote
(in article <h2sl5qh6ta.fsf DeleteThis @ethel.the.log>):

> Sonnova <sonnova DeleteThis @audiosanatorium.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:55:34 -0700, Mac Dude wrote
>> (in article <do-160996.22553406092007 DeleteThis @news.stanford.edu>):
>>
>>> In article <6aodgfp3ei.fsf DeleteThis @ethel.the.log>,
>>> Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> George Graves <gmgraves2 DeleteThis @comcast.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if this is the correct NG for this Q, here goes. If I'm
>>>>> off-base, just tell me so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm running OSX v.10.4.10 and I have a number of X11 apps running under
>>>>> XDarwin/X11.
>>>>>
>>>>> At one time, they worked as advertised, but somewhere along the way, the
>>>>> following has come to pass:
>>>>>
>>>>> I launch, say, Gimp, and X11 launches as does the app. But I never see
>>>>> the
>>>>> app, merely the Aqua menu bar and the blue Apple and the application
>>>>> name.
>>>>> Under the app name I have:
>>>>>
>>>>> Services
>>>>> Hide Gimp
>>>>> Hide others
>>>>> Quit
>>>>>
>>>>> But I never see the menus or windows for the actual application even
>>>>> though
>>>>> it's ostensibly open.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have done the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> Installed latest X11, latest versions of the affected apps (GIMP,
>>>>> Scribus,
>>>>> Inkscape)
>>>>>
>>>>> Tried starting apps under a fresh account.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody seen this? What's causing it?
>>>>
>>>> My first guess would be that you are running X11 in full screen mode.
>>>>
>>>> The X11 icon should be in your dock. Click on it, and then examine
>>>> Preferences -> Output.
>>>>
>>>> (If the X11 icon _isn't_ in your dock, then I dont' know how the Gimp
>>>> can even be starting up.)
>>>
>>> George,
>>>
>>> Quick check of the Gimp on my 12" PowerBook... double click the Gimp.
>>> Gimp launches, then X11 (hiding the Gimp menu bar), then a terminal
>>> window appears, then the Gimp windows. The Gimp app is still hanging
>>> around, but its menu bar is not really used. E.g. "Hide Gimp" does
>>> nothing apparent.
>>>
>>> So you are looking at the Gimp menu bar, which you don't want. You need
>>> to bring X11 to the foreground, at which time the Gimp windows &
>>> palettes should also appear.
>>>
>>> When you just launch X11 by itself, do you get a single
>>> terminal-emulator window? You should. Does X11 go immediately into the
>>> background?? If so, bring it to the foreground, get a terminal with
>>> cmd-N, and then quit (to update its prefs). Maybe that fixes it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mac Dude
>>
>> I can no longer find an application on my HDD called X11!!???? There are
>> libraries and other support files called with the name X11, and there is an
>> app called XDarwin, but no X11!
>
> I _think_ the point of XDarwin is to run X11 on your mac without
> running Aqua (the normal OS X interface) at the same time.
>
> I would prefer to run X11 (which is an optional apple supplied package
> on your Tiger install disk(s)) myself, but maybe that is just because
> I'm unfamiliar with XDarwin, and unaware of any advantages it offers.
>
> I still suspect the problem may be that XDarwin is running in
> full-screen mode, and you just can see it. What happens when (instead
> of starting gimp) you double click on the XDarwin icon in your
> Applications folder?
>
> Does the XDarwin icon appear in your dock? Can you get to XDarwin
> preferences?

Ooooooh, bad. XDarwin doesn't run. I'm going to have to pull-out my Tiger
disc and re-install X11, and start over from scratch, I'm afraid. Thanks for
all your help.
 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem 

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:23:39 -0700, Tom Stiller wrote
(in article <tomstiller-A2BC19.08233907092007 RemoveThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com>):

> In article <0001HW.C30657F104EAD79FF0182648 RemoveThis @news.comcast.net>,
> Sonnova <sonnova RemoveThis @audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>
>> But I can no longer find an application called X11 anywhere on My
>> HDD, although I can find an app called XDarwin and there are a number of
>> resource folders called X11. What gives?
>
> If you're running Mac OS X 10.4.x, 'X11' should be located in your
> '/Applications/Utilities' folder. Earlier versions of Mac OS X had the
> file in the '/Applications' folder.
>
>

Nope It's nowhere.
 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem 

Sonnova <sonnova DeleteThis @audiosanatorium.com> writes:

> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:23:39 -0700, Tom Stiller wrote
> (in article <tomstiller-A2BC19.08233907092007 DeleteThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com>):
>
> > In article <0001HW.C30657F104EAD79FF0182648 DeleteThis @news.comcast.net>,
> > Sonnova <sonnova DeleteThis @audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
> >
> >> But I can no longer find an application called X11 anywhere on My
> >> HDD, although I can find an app called XDarwin and there are a number of
> >> resource folders called X11. What gives?
> >
> > If you're running Mac OS X 10.4.x, 'X11' should be located in your
> > '/Applications/Utilities' folder. Earlier versions of Mac OS X had the
> > file in the '/Applications' folder.
> >
> >
>
> Nope It's nowhere.

Yeah, it would only be in /Applications/Utilities if you had done the
optional install off your Tiger disk.

I wonder where you install gimp from? It might be worth (if there is
an uninstall option) uninstalling it, then installing X11 from the
Tiger disk, then (perhaps) installing gimp.app from this page:

http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/

(Not that I've done this, but that is what I would do if I wanted
gimp.)
 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem 

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:23:00 -0700, Sonnova <sonnova.TakeThisOut@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:

> I can no longer find an application on my HDD called X11!!???? There are
> libraries and other support files called with the name X11, and there is an
> app called XDarwin, but no X11!

I don't know what XDarwin is. On this MBP I have running

/Applications/Utilities/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11

top also says that I have Xquartz running. I'm not sure where that might
be.

A bientot
Paul
 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem 

In article <fbsinp$rb1$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>,
Dave Seaman <dseaman.DeleteThis@no.such.host> wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:09:33 +0000, Paul Floyd wrote:
> > On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:23:00 -0700, Sonnova <sonnova.DeleteThis@audiosanatorium.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> I can no longer find an application on my HDD called X11!!???? There are
> >> libraries and other support files called with the name X11, and there is
> >> an
> >> app called XDarwin, but no X11!
>
> > I don't know what XDarwin is.
>
> Google does. It's an alternate implementation of X11 for the Mac that
> existed before Apple's X11.app.
>
> > On this MBP I have running
>
> > /Applications/Utilities/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11
>
> > top also says that I have Xquartz running. I'm not sure where that might
> > be.
>
> You can find where Xquartz is by typing "which Xquartz". You can find
> out what it is by typing "man Xquartz".

If his path environment variable includes the containing directory.

--
Tom Stiller

PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF
 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:09:33 +0000, Paul Floyd wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:23:00 -0700, Sonnova <sonnova.TakeThisOut@audiosanatorium.com> wrote:

>> I can no longer find an application on my HDD called X11!!???? There are
>> libraries and other support files called with the name X11, and there is an
>> app called XDarwin, but no X11!

> I don't know what XDarwin is.

Google does. It's an alternate implementation of X11 for the Mac that
existed before Apple's X11.app.

> On this MBP I have running

> /Applications/Utilities/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11

> top also says that I have Xquartz running. I'm not sure where that might
> be.

You can find where Xquartz is by typing "which Xquartz". You can find
out what it is by typing "man Xquartz".


--
Dave Seaman
Oral Arguments in Mumia Abu-Jamal Case heard May 17
U.S. Court of Appeals, Third Circuit
<http://www.abu-jamal-news.com/>
 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem 

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:18:33 +0000 (UTC), Dave Seaman
<dseaman DeleteThis @no.such.host> wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:09:33 +0000, Paul Floyd wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:23:00 -0700, Sonnova <sonnova DeleteThis @audiosanatorium.com> wrote:
>
>>> I can no longer find an application on my HDD called X11!!???? There are
>>> libraries and other support files called with the name X11, and there is an
>>> app called XDarwin, but no X11!
>
>> I don't know what XDarwin is.
>
> Google does. It's an alternate implementation of X11 for the Mac that
> existed before Apple's X11.app.
>
>> On this MBP I have running
>
>> /Applications/Utilities/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11
>
>> top also says that I have Xquartz running. I'm not sure where that might
>> be.
>
> You can find where Xquartz is by typing "which Xquartz". You can find
> out what it is by typing "man Xquartz".

Funnily, for once I tried using spotlight, and it reported nothing for
'Xquartz'. Normally I would have used which or find since I have a
HP-UX/Solaris background. Without recourse to the man page, I expect
that Xquartz does the same thing as XSun or Xorg.

A bientot
Paul
Xquartz does the same thing as XSun or Xorg.

A bientot
Paul
 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem 

In article <0001HW.C3060CEB04D941E6F0182648.RemoveThis@news.comcast.net>,
George Graves <gmgraves2.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> I'm running OSX v.10.4.10 and I have a number of X11 apps running under
> XDarwin/X11.
>
> At one time, they worked as advertised, but somewhere along the way, the
> following has come to pass:
>
> I launch, say, Gimp, and X11 launches as does the app. But I never see the
> app, merely the Aqua menu bar and the blue Apple and the application name.
Is it possible it's simply opening off your physical screen? I've
had occasion where I had to go to Displays Preference and 'find'
apps that have opened on a virtual screen larger than my physical
one

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 >> Stay informed about: X11 Problem