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CyberTaz wrote:

> The most accurate up-to-date info will be available here:


There is virtually nothing there about EndNote support for Office 2008.
I believe that they made an annoucement that they will bring EndNote
support in EndNote X1 as a free update.

At this point, I don't miss it so much. I never use Cite as you write so
I can just copy my references from EndNote to paste them in Word.
When I need to format, I save as RTF and format from within EndNote.
Much much much faster…

Corentin


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Hi Corentin -

You're quite right, and that's because it doesn't exist as yet:-) The point
is that as information about the progress is made available that's where it
will show up first... At least according to the info on the End Note site:

http://www.endnote.com/support/en_wpchart_mac.asp

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On 5/19/08 2:41 PM, in article
1ih6wi5.1kzrneb1qcp19yN%korventeen@NoSpam.mvps.org, "Corentin Cras-Méneur"
wrote:

> CyberTaz wrote:
>
>> The most accurate up-to-date info will be available here:
>
>
> There is virtually nothing there about EndNote support for Office 2008.
> I believe that they made an annoucement that they will bring EndNote
> support in EndNote X1 as a free update.
>
> At this point, I don't miss it so much. I never use Cite as you write so
> I can just copy my references from EndNote to paste them in Word.
> When I need to format, I save as RTF and format from within EndNote.
> Much much much fasterŠ
>
> Corentin
>
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According to that page, there is supposed to be a June release of a free
update to Endnote X1 that will enable Word 2008 compatibility.

> http://www.endnote.com/support/en_wpchart_mac.asp
>
>
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I wish to report on most serious problems I have encountered using Office 2004 and EndNote X1. Since it is clear for the time-being that EndNote does ONLY work with Office 2004, that is the route I tried to go. Using rtf files works smoothly going back and forth between Office 2004 and 2008 (at least so far). However, using EndNote X1 with Office 2004 under Leopard (OS X 10.5.x) is a disaster.

First I encounter regularly complete freezes of Word while typing simple diacritical characters (Umlaut, Option-u-u for instance to get a German ü). I have uninstalled and reinstalled the entire Office 2004, trashed carefully all preferences, made all upgradeds service packs in painstakingly exactly the correct sequence etc. etc. All to no avail. The problem persists and creeps in as soon as I try to do serious work (now with several papers I am writing).

Secondly, if I try to unformat properly entered and once EndNote formatted citations using EndNote X1's menu command ("Tools -> EndNote X1 -> Unformat Citation(s)") the field codes get corrupted and I loose all work. Similarly attempts to reformat the bibliography result in corruption of already once properly formatted in-text citations. The result is to go back to older versions (hopefully not formatted) and to reenter the citations and cross my fingers that at some stage the entire formatting of the bibliography will work. I know this might be an EndNote X1 problem and I will report it to EndNote.

This is all in all an extremely frustrating situation and my conclusion is that Word from Office 2004 and EndNote X1 under Leopard are basically no longer usable (at least on an Intel Mac). The frustrating thing is it is most difficult to find the culprit, since it seems to be the combination of OS, Office, and EndNote. It could also be a Word problem under Leopard, since EndNote X1 used to work fine under Tiger using Word Office 2004. But it could also be a problem with Office 2004, since I have updated with recommended service packs and my Office 2004 under Leopard is no longer the same as under Tiger. Only EndNote X1 is the same, yet needed to be reinstalled if I reinstall Office 2004. So none of the involved software components could be left really exactly the same as before.

Of course I am not sure whether my diagnosis is completely correct, since proving such a diganosis is extremely time consuming, and I simply don't have that. I should be able to work. But I have already made great and careful efforts while attempting to rescue papers (submittable under a tight dead-line) and wasted days to rescue as much as possible. My experience is rather big in the mean-time, yet still far from a proof.

BTW, I am an experienced (sophisticated) user, have taught computer science (university level), programmed for decades Macs and other computers and know very well what I am doing.

Therefore I guess nobody can offer a remedy, or can you? I would be most pleased to hear from you. Anyone interested in the files showing the nasty behavior, simply send me an E-mail and I can provide entire packages.

Andreas Fischlin :angry:
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Hi Andreas:

This sounds like you have a message for Microsoft. I suggest that you use
Word> Help>Send Feedback and copy your post in there. That way, a Microsoft
employee will read it. They will not read it in here: Microsoft does not
read this forum.

Cheers


On 2/06/08 7:59 PM, in article ee888c2.44 DeleteThis @webcrossing.caR9absDaxw, "Andreas
Fischlin" wrote:

> I wish to report on most serious problems I have encountered using Office 2004
> and EndNote X1. Since it is clear for the time-being that EndNote does ONLY
> work with Office 2004, that is the route I tried to go. Using rtf files works
> smoothly going back and forth between Office 2004 and 2008 (at least so far).
> However, using EndNote X1 with Office 2004 under Leopard (OS X 10.5.x) is a
> disaster.
>
> First I encounter regularly complete freezes of Word while typing simple
> diacritical characters (Umlaut, Option-u-u for instance to get a German ü). I
> have uninstalled and reinstalled the entire Office 2004, trashed carefully all
> preferences, made all upgradeds service packs in painstakingly exactly the
> correct sequence etc. etc. All to no avail. The problem persists and creeps in
> as soon as I try to do serious work (now with several papers I am writing).
>
> Secondly, if I try to unformat properly entered and once EndNote formatted
> citations using EndNote X1's menu command ("Tools -> EndNote X1 -> Unformat
> Citation(s)") the field codes get corrupted and I loose all work. Similarly
> attempts to reformat the bibliography result in corruption of already once
> properly formatted in-text citations. The result is to go back to older
> versions (hopefully not formatted) and to reenter the citations and cross my
> fingers that at some stage the entire formatting of the bibliography will
> work. I know this might be an EndNote X1 problem and I will report it to
> EndNote.
>
> This is all in all an extremely frustrating situation and my conclusion is
> that Word from Office 2004 and EndNote X1 under Leopard are basically no
> longer usable (at least on an Intel Mac). The frustrating thing is it is most
> difficult to find the culprit, since it seems to be the combination of OS,
> Office, and EndNote. It could also be a Word problem under Leopard, since
> EndNote X1 used to work fine under Tiger using Word Office 2004. But it could
> also be a problem with Office 2004, since I have updated with recommended
> service packs and my Office 2004 under Leopard is no longer the same as under
> Tiger. Only EndNote X1 is the same, yet needed to be reinstalled if I
> reinstall Office 2004. So none of the involved software components could be
> left really exactly the same as before.
>
> Of course I am not sure whether my diagnosis is completely correct, since
> proving such a diganosis is extremely time consuming, and I simply don't have
> that. I should be able to work. But I have already made great and careful
> efforts while attempting to rescue papers (submittable under a tight
> dead-line) and wasted days to rescue as much as possible. My experience is
> rather big in the mean-time, yet still far from a proof.
>
> BTW, I am an experienced (sophisticated) user, have taught computer science
> (university level), programmed for decades Macs and other computers and know
> very well what I am doing.
>
> Therefore I guess nobody can offer a remedy, or can you? I would be most
> pleased to hear from you. Anyone interested in the files showing the nasty
> behavior, simply send me an E-mail and I can provide entire packages.
>
> Andreas Fischlin :angry:

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Andreas Fischlin wrote:

Hi Andreas,

> I wish to report on most serious problems I have encountered using
> Office 2004 and EndNote X1. Since it is clear for the time-being that
> EndNote does ONLY work with Office 2004,

It also works with X and the EndNotes folks are actively working on
integrating it in Word 2008.

> that is the route I tried to
> go. Using rtf files works smoothly going back and forth between Office
> 2004 and 2008 (at least so far). However, using EndNote X1 with Office
> 2004 under Leopard (OS X 10.5.x) is a disaster.


You can also export as RTF in 2008 and perform all formatting directly
in EndNote (that's what I do)
>
> First I encounter regularly complete freezes of Word while typing simple
> diacritical characters (Umlaut, Option-u-u for instance to get a German
> ü). I have uninstalled and reinstalled the entire Office 2004, trashed
> carefully all preferences, made all upgradeds service packs in
> painstakingly exactly the correct sequence etc. etc. All to no avail.
> The problem persists and creeps in as soon as I try to do serious work
> (now with several papers I am writing).

That's sounds unusual to me. I use this character and many other of the
same kind in French and I never experienced that. Do you get the same
problem from another user account on the same Mac ?? Are you fully up to
date??


> Secondly, if I try to unformat properly entered and once EndNote
> formatted citations using EndNote X1's menu command ("Tools -> EndNote
> X1 -> Unformat Citation(s)") the field codes get corrupted and I loose
> all work.

Same thing, I never had that. I wonder wehther Office could be corrupted
on your Mac (or it could be the System, permissions.. .You should boot
on your MacOS X DVD to check the hard drive with DiskUtility from the
Utility menu in the installer).

> Similarly attempts to reformat the bibliography result in
> corruption of already once properly formatted in-text citations. The
> result is to go back to older versions (hopefully not formatted) and to
> reenter the citations and cross my fingers that at some stage the entire
> formatting of the bibliography will work. I know this might be an
> EndNote X1 problem and I will report it to EndNote.


Do you get the same problem if you scan the Manuscript (in RTF) from
within EndNote??

[...]
> Of course I am not sure whether my diagnosis is completely correct,
> since proving such a diganosis is extremely time consuming, and I simply
> don't have that. I should be able to work. But I have already made great
> and careful efforts while attempting to rescue papers (submittable under
> a tight dead-line) and wasted days to rescue as much as possible. My
> experience is rather big in the mean-time, yet still far from a proof.


COnsidering the problems you also have with extended ASCII characters, I
would suspect that something is not quite right with your Office
installation. It could be many things though and I know how tedious it
can be to track it down.

> BTW, I am an experienced (sophisticated) user, have taught computer
> science (university level), programmed for decades Macs and other
> computers and know very well what I am doing.
>
> Therefore I guess nobody can offer a remedy, or can you? I would be most
> pleased to hear from you. Anyone interested in the files showing the
> nasty behavior, simply send me an E-mail and I can provide entire
> packages.

It could also be that the file you are using is corrupted. Your Normal
template could be corrupted too (and transmitting the problem to all new
document).

Try moving the Normal template aside to have Word create a new one upon
launch and create a new document. Insert references, extended ASCII,
format, unformat... Do you still have the same problem??

Corentin




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