What browsers are you using?

A N Niel wrote:
> In article <1147967382.893094.111390 DeleteThis @i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> <google DeleteThis @alansilver.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I hope this is on-topic for this group... I am a web designer, and have
>> just bought a Mac so that I can test my sites on Mac browsers. I have
>> OSX 10.2, which has IE5.2 and Safari 1.0 (v85). Do people here use any
>> other browsers? If so, what? I would like to get as many as are being
>> used so I can test in all. Please also let me know if any are obsolete.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>
> After you get a large set of browsers, also get one of the utilities to
> turn on the Debug menu in Safari. In particular the choice "Open Page
> With ..." in that menu lets you view your page in other browsers.
>
> Mine shows: camino, firefox, IE, mozilla, netscape, omniweb, opera.


Using 10.4.6 I use Firefox and SeaMonkey. Camino, Mozilla 1.7.13 and
Safari are also on the machine (mostly for testing purposes)
 >> Stay informed about: What browsers are you using? 

<google.DeleteThis@alansilver.co.uk> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I hope this is on-topic for this group... I am a web designer, and have
> just bought a Mac so that I can test my sites on Mac browsers. I have
> OSX 10.2, which has IE5.2 and Safari 1.0 (v85). Do people here use any
> other browsers? If so, what? I would like to get as many as are being
> used so I can test in all. Please also let me know if any are obsolete.
>
I use Safari (2.0.3), Camino and Firefox - in that order.

--
I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines
to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour
 >> Stay informed about: What browsers are you using? 

Sander Tekelenburg wrote:
<snip>
> That can be useful. I do hope you realise though that it's way more
> important to write at the *very least* valid HTML. Without that, testing
> what different browsers make up is a waste of time.

Don't worry, I only write 100% valid (X)HTML and CSS. I have enough to
do without shooting myself in the foot as well<g>

<snip>
> I have
> > OSX 10.2, which has IE5.2 and Safari 1.0 (v85). Do people here use any
> > other browsers?
>
> People *here* are not respresentatve of the general Mac population,
> which is as oblivious of Usenet as the rest of the world ;)

Probably, but it's a good start. The CSS newsgroups are almost
exclusively frequented by people who have the sense not to use IE, but
most of them realise that IE is dominant, so you can't pretend it's not
there (much as we'd like to!!)

<snip>
> My impression is that most Mac OS X users use Safari, followed by
> Firefox, Opera,

OK, Safari and FF I have. I already test Opera on Windows, so is there
any point in testing it on the MAc as well? Surely a decent browser
like that will render the same on both platforms? Or am I being too
optimistic?

iCab and lynx/links.

Ta for those

(I'm ignoring OmniWeb, Camino,
> Mozilla, etc. because they all use a rendering engine that's already
> covered by the first list.)

Understood.

Thanks for the reply.
 >> Stay informed about: What browsers are you using? 

Mike Rosenberg wrote:
<snip>
> The one change I'd make to that list is to add Internet Explorer up with
> Firefox. True, MS has pulled it from its downloads, and, true, it
> doesn't come with Tiger, but it did come with earlier OS X versions and
> was available before this year, and a lot of average Mac users continue
> to use it out of habit.

I imagine many will until they upgrade their machines, some even after
that. For the same reason, you still get a reasonable number of WIndows
users with IE5. It came on their PC and they haven't upgraded (they
don't know how to do, much less why they should). They will carry on
using it until the machine dies and they get a new one with a newer
version. With the Mac, users of older machines don't even have the
option of Safari as it needs OSX.2, which many will not have.
 >> Stay informed about: What browsers are you using? 

Sander Tekelenburg wrote:
> [...]
>
> > I already test Opera on Windows, so is there
> > any point in testing it on the MAc as well? Surely a decent browser
> > like that will render the same on both platforms?
<snip>
> Anyway, now that Opera is free I don't see why you would not install it.

No reason, other than it takes slightly longer for every browser you
need to check ;-)

> (All that aside, IMO if a site is well-designed it should work in any
> user-agent. The only point in testing it in different browsers is to
> discover bugs in those user-agents and report them to the maker.
> Unfortunately most webdesigners instead choose to apply tricks to hide
> those bugs, thus providing little incentive for those browsermakers to
> fix their bugs.)

I agree 100% with this. I really try to avoid using hacks wherever
posssible as I feel it's a very fragile way to build a page. What if a
future version of a browser supports the feature that you rely on to
hide code, but doesn't support the feature you are hiding? You end up
in a mess. I think a lot of people are going to be very busy when IE7
comes out, as the betas suggest that they have fixed a lot of the
parsing errors and have removed the mysterious DOM node above HTML
(although there's still debate about that one). Loads of hacks rely on
those to hide CSS from IE. Given that IE will now see that CSS, but may
not fully support all the CSS it is now seeing, there are going to be
problems.

I'm glad to say that none of my sites seem to be affected as I have
carefully avoided using hacks.

Anyway, thanks for the reply.
 >> Stay informed about: What browsers are you using? 

<google.RemoveThis@alansilver.co.uk> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I hope this is on-topic for this group... I am a web designer, and have
> just bought a Mac so that I can test my sites on Mac browsers. I have
> OSX 10.2, which has IE5.2 and Safari 1.0 (v85). Do people here use any
> other browsers? If so, what? I would like to get as many as are being
> used so I can test in all. Please also let me know if any are obsolete.
>
> TIA

For a start you won't be able to run the latest versions of many
browsers on old 10.2. Oh, and Mac IE is dead. No one uses it anymore.

As for me, I use iCab, Camino and Shiira.

Regards,
Jamie Kahn Genet
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
 >> Stay informed about: What browsers are you using? 

Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
<snip>> For a start you won't be able to run the latest versions of
many
> browsers on old 10.2. Oh, and Mac IE is dead. No one uses it anymore.

I beg to differ, but my server logs show people still using IE on the
Mac. Sure the numbers aren't huge, but there are easily more than are
using iCab and Camino put together.

> As for me, I use iCab, Camino and Shiira.

Never heard of that last one, but as it requires OSX 10.3 and I only
have 10.2, I guess I won't be able to test it anyway!!

Ta ra
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