I'd like to discuss sleep mode for Mac

In article <tomstiller-59C553.20101107022008.RemoveThis@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Tom Stiller <tomstiller.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> In article
> <jollyroger-7EBA2A.19015107022008.RemoveThis@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger.RemoveThis@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <gkreme-DD6C2B.17450407022008.RemoveThis@news.giganews.com>,
> > Lewis <gkreme.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I do wish there was a "return to login screen" setting somewhere. I
> > > don't want to be logged out, but I'd prefer if the machine when waking
> > > from screensaver or display sleep was at the login window.
> >
> > I wouldn't mind having that myself.
>
> You can choose the Login Window from the Fast User Switch menu item.

Not automatically after a specified amount of idle time, you can't. ; )

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 >> Stay informed about: I'd like to discuss sleep mode for Mac 

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<jollyroger-96406E.16210707022008.TakeThisOut@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.ne
t>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger.TakeThisOut@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <_PGdnX50aYC96DbanZ2dnUVZ_oKhnZ2d.TakeThisOut@rcn.net>,
> Dudley Henriques <dhenriques.TakeThisOut@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> > The second thing I'm dealing with concerns the Lacie external drive
> > (power set in auto now so it goes down and back with the sleep mode on
> > the IMac).
> > Considering that the hard drives on the Mac and the external have to
> > spool up every time they come out of sleep mode, I have the following
> > situation.
> > The computer is ON most of the time, but I leave it constantly for
> > periods exceeding the sleep mode entry, so the system goes into sleep
> > and out again many times during a day.
> > I don't know if this is stressing the external drive.
>
> This is an age old question without a clear answer, I'm afraid.
>
> Turning the drive on and off or sleeping the drive does stress parts of
> the drive. For instance, the cooling / warming cycles can stress solder
> joints on circuitry, and cuts down on the life expectancy of the drive
> motor.
>
> Then again, leaving the drive on constantly also stresses different
> parts of the drive. For instance the bearings are constantly spinning
> and generating heat, which lessens the life of the bearing lubrication
> and the bearings themselves.

There is also wear on the cold bearings in the accelerating
forces of start up. You are right that there are competing issues
but I think it should be clear that 14 minutes is an absurdly
short period to force the issue.

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<doraymeRidThis-FD7967.09482208022008.TakeThisOut@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
dorayme <doraymeRidThis.TakeThisOut@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> There is also wear on the cold bearings in the accelerating
> forces of start up. You are right that there are competing issues
> but I think it should be clear that 14 minutes is an absurdly
> short period to force the issue.

Absolutely. I wouldn't suggest anything shorter than, say, 45 minutes
to an hour, personally, but to each his own, I suppose.

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 >> Stay informed about: I'd like to discuss sleep mode for Mac 

In article <HtydnT8nWpJGFDbanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d DeleteThis @rcn.net>,
Dudley Henriques <dhenriques DeleteThis @rcn.com> wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
> > In article <_PGdnX50aYC96DbanZ2dnUVZ_oKhnZ2d DeleteThis @rcn.net>,
> > Dudley Henriques <dhenriques DeleteThis @rcn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I use an Intel IMac and have a Lacie HDD attached to it. Presently I'm
> >> set up in the power section to sleep both the Mac HDD and the monitor at
> >> 14 minutes.
> >
> > Don't do this Dudley! The constant accelerating forces on this
> > mechanical unit will wear it out quicker. The monitor, perhaps,
> > the HD absolutely not.
> >
> Right. I'll not do this any longer. Should I select never for the HDD
> and a high number for the monitor shut down using a screen saver?
> It's a little confusing about the monitor. I'd like to use a screen
> saver as suggested here but how does this interplay with the monitor
> shutdown slider? Never says it's bad for the monitor and if I shut it
> down at all, I'm defeating the use of the screen saver as it will only
> be active until the monitor shuts down anyway?????????

This is what I have in my Energy Saver prefs:

Put the computer to sleep.... Never

(I don't say it would be silly not to follow me on this. If you
have relatives that you want to bequeath the machine to and you
die and no one finds you for a few years (there have been some
terrible cases of this and worse in Sydney lately) then it would
be best for the machine to have shut down after a fair time. Not
minutes!)

Put the display to sleep.... 14 minutes (like you)

I have Restart after a power failure unticked.

(For a simple reason really. If it ever happens (almost never), I
like to have a quiet period undistracted by problems with the
computer that can result, where I write a letter to the power
company with language so foul that H-Block prisoners would blush).

I have a screensaver come on after 5 min (I have multiple 'not so
cheap' LCD screens). Under Desktop and Screensaver System Prefs.
There is no clash between Sleep and Screensaver and I recommend
you do use this latter.

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dorayme wrote:
> In article <HtydnT8nWpJGFDbanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d.RemoveThis@rcn.net>,
> Dudley Henriques <dhenriques.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>> dorayme wrote:
>>> In article <_PGdnX50aYC96DbanZ2dnUVZ_oKhnZ2d.RemoveThis@rcn.net>,
>>> Dudley Henriques <dhenriques.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use an Intel IMac and have a Lacie HDD attached to it. Presently I'm
>>>> set up in the power section to sleep both the Mac HDD and the monitor at
>>>> 14 minutes.
>>> Don't do this Dudley! The constant accelerating forces on this
>>> mechanical unit will wear it out quicker. The monitor, perhaps,
>>> the HD absolutely not.
>>>
>> Right. I'll not do this any longer. Should I select never for the HDD
>> and a high number for the monitor shut down using a screen saver?
>> It's a little confusing about the monitor. I'd like to use a screen
>> saver as suggested here but how does this interplay with the monitor
>> shutdown slider? Never says it's bad for the monitor and if I shut it
>> down at all, I'm defeating the use of the screen saver as it will only
>> be active until the monitor shuts down anyway?????????
>
> This is what I have in my Energy Saver prefs:
>
> Put the computer to sleep.... Never
>
> (I don't say it would be silly not to follow me on this. If you
> have relatives that you want to bequeath the machine to and you
> die and no one finds you for a few years (there have been some
> terrible cases of this and worse in Sydney lately) then it would
> be best for the machine to have shut down after a fair time. Not
> minutes!)
>
> Put the display to sleep.... 14 minutes (like you)
>
> I have Restart after a power failure unticked.
>
> (For a simple reason really. If it ever happens (almost never), I
> like to have a quiet period undistracted by problems with the
> computer that can result, where I write a letter to the power
> company with language so foul that H-Block prisoners would blush).
>
> I have a screensaver come on after 5 min (I have multiple 'not so
> cheap' LCD screens). Under Desktop and Screensaver System Prefs.
> There is no clash between Sleep and Screensaver and I recommend
> you do use this latter.
>
Thanks much

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 >> Stay informed about: I'd like to discuss sleep mode for Mac 

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<jollyroger-4C4B21.17011707022008.DeleteThis@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.ne
t>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger.DeleteThis@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article
> <doraymeRidThis-FD7967.09482208022008.DeleteThis@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
> dorayme <doraymeRidThis.DeleteThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > There is also wear on the cold bearings in the accelerating
> > forces of start up. You are right that there are competing issues
> > but I think it should be clear that 14 minutes is an absurdly
> > short period to force the issue.
>
> Absolutely. I wouldn't suggest anything shorter than, say, 45 minutes
> to an hour, personally, but to each his own, I suppose.

Fair enough, I would advise a much longer period though. In fact
I would advise a period that screams out, "bugger this, my owner
has gone to bed for the night or pissed off for the weekend or
gotten arrested"

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dorayme
 >> Stay informed about: I'd like to discuss sleep mode for Mac 

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<doraymeRidThis-BBC72F.10245508022008 DeleteThis @news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
dorayme <doraymeRidThis DeleteThis @optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> In article
> <jollyroger-4C4B21.17011707022008 DeleteThis @earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.ne
> t>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger DeleteThis @pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <doraymeRidThis-FD7967.09482208022008 DeleteThis @news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
> > dorayme <doraymeRidThis DeleteThis @optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > > There is also wear on the cold bearings in the accelerating
> > > forces of start up. You are right that there are competing issues
> > > but I think it should be clear that 14 minutes is an absurdly
> > > short period to force the issue.
> >
> > Absolutely. I wouldn't suggest anything shorter than, say, 45 minutes
> > to an hour, personally, but to each his own, I suppose.
>
> Fair enough, I would advise a much longer period though. In fact
> I would advise a period that screams out, "bugger this, my owner
> has gone to bed for the night or pissed off for the weekend or
> gotten arrested"

That really depends on how often you use your computer, though, right?
For me, if I'm away for 45 minutes, I'll probably be away for *at least*
2 hours, and maybe the rest of the evening.

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 >> Stay informed about: I'd like to discuss sleep mode for Mac 

In article
<jollyroger-848520.17275507022008 DeleteThis @earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.ne
t>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger DeleteThis @pobox.com> wrote:

> In article
> <doraymeRidThis-BBC72F.10245508022008 DeleteThis @news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
> dorayme <doraymeRidThis DeleteThis @optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <jollyroger-4C4B21.17011707022008 DeleteThis @earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.ne
> > t>,
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger DeleteThis @pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <doraymeRidThis-FD7967.09482208022008 DeleteThis @news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
> > > dorayme <doraymeRidThis DeleteThis @optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > There is also wear on the cold bearings in the accelerating
> > > > forces of start up. You are right that there are competing issues
> > > > but I think it should be clear that 14 minutes is an absurdly
> > > > short period to force the issue.
> > >
> > > Absolutely. I wouldn't suggest anything shorter than, say, 45 minutes
> > > to an hour, personally, but to each his own, I suppose.
> >
> > Fair enough, I would advise a much longer period though. In fact
> > I would advise a period that screams out, "bugger this, my owner
> > has gone to bed for the night or pissed off for the weekend or
> > gotten arrested"
>
> That really depends on how often you use your computer, though, right?
> For me, if I'm away for 45 minutes, I'll probably be away for *at least*
> 2 hours, and maybe the rest of the evening.

After a while, if one studies oneself, one gets to know the
habits of this curious creature and can act accordingly. The
computer cannot study the habits of people easily, too much
subtle background material to master.

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 >> Stay informed about: I'd like to discuss sleep mode for Mac 

In article
<jollyroger-2D426E.19245807022008.RemoveThis@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger.RemoveThis@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <tomstiller-59C553.20101107022008.RemoveThis@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> Tom Stiller <tomstiller.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <jollyroger-7EBA2A.19015107022008.RemoveThis@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger.RemoveThis@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <gkreme-DD6C2B.17450407022008.RemoveThis@news.giganews.com>,
> > > Lewis <gkreme.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I do wish there was a "return to login screen" setting somewhere. I
> > > > don't want to be logged out, but I'd prefer if the machine when waking
> > > > from screensaver or display sleep was at the login window.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't mind having that myself.
> >
> > You can choose the Login Window from the Fast User Switch menu item.
>
> Not automatically after a specified amount of idle time, you can't. ; )

Well, I can choose it any damn time I please. ;-)

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 >> Stay informed about: I'd like to discuss sleep mode for Mac 

In article <9fadnX9XW4cNCTbanZ2dnUVZ_vDinZ2d.RemoveThis@rcn.net>,
Dudley Henriques <dhenriques.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote:

> Jolly Roger wrote:
> > In article <HtydnT0nWpJeFTbanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d.RemoveThis@rcn.net>,
> > Dudley Henriques <dhenriques.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm a bit confused about the screen saver function vs the power option
> >> turning off the monitor. Assuming that during the day I'd be using a
> >> screen saver I can select a screen saver say at 15 minutes but I'm
> >> assuming that using the SS I wouldn't be putting the monitor down at
> >> all. But when I move the slider for the monitor to never, it tells me
> >> this could shorten the life of the monitor.
> >> Should I use a saver and select a high shut down number short of never
> >> like say 3 hours?
> >
> > Personally, I use a short time for the screen saver - say 5-15 minutes.
> > Then I use a longer time for the screen sleep - say 30 minutes to an
> > hour or so max.
> >
> Ah ok...then I was figuring it out correctly. I couldn't see the
> advantage of the screen saver if it just ran until the monitor shut down
> if the shut down was scheduled for a low number of minutes.
> I guess the main advantage of the saver is if you DO select a higher
> number of minutes before shutting down the monitor.

if you can't decide between JR's very small setting for sleep
(though longer than your original) and my inclinations, do a
simple log of yourself. Really! How often do you go away from
your machine and come back to use it after it goes to sleep? If
quite often, I would increase the time accordingly. Use
commonsense, if you don't want to leave it onall night or when
you are away for a day, fine, set accordingly (or just swithch it
off).

HD's are designed to spin for thousands and thousands of hours.

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dorayme
 >> Stay informed about: I'd like to discuss sleep mode for Mac 

dorayme wrote:
> In article <9fadnX9XW4cNCTbanZ2dnUVZ_vDinZ2d.RemoveThis@rcn.net>,
> Dudley Henriques <dhenriques.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> In article <HtydnT0nWpJeFTbanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d.RemoveThis@rcn.net>,
>>> Dudley Henriques <dhenriques.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm a bit confused about the screen saver function vs the power option
>>>> turning off the monitor. Assuming that during the day I'd be using a
>>>> screen saver I can select a screen saver say at 15 minutes but I'm
>>>> assuming that using the SS I wouldn't be putting the monitor down at
>>>> all. But when I move the slider for the monitor to never, it tells me
>>>> this could shorten the life of the monitor.
>>>> Should I use a saver and select a high shut down number short of never
>>>> like say 3 hours?
>>> Personally, I use a short time for the screen saver - say 5-15 minutes.
>>> Then I use a longer time for the screen sleep - say 30 minutes to an
>>> hour or so max.
>>>
>> Ah ok...then I was figuring it out correctly. I couldn't see the
>> advantage of the screen saver if it just ran until the monitor shut down
>> if the shut down was scheduled for a low number of minutes.
>> I guess the main advantage of the saver is if you DO select a higher
>> number of minutes before shutting down the monitor.
>
> if you can't decide between JR's very small setting for sleep
> (though longer than your original) and my inclinations, do a
> simple log of yourself. Really! How often do you go away from
> your machine and come back to use it after it goes to sleep? If
> quite often, I would increase the time accordingly. Use
> commonsense, if you don't want to leave it onall night or when
> you are away for a day, fine, set accordingly (or just swithch it
> off).
>
> HD's are designed to spin for thousands and thousands of hours.
>
Already done, and thank you for all the help.

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 >> Stay informed about: I'd like to discuss sleep mode for Mac 

In article <gkreme-DD6C2B.17450407022008 RemoveThis @news.giganews.com>,
Lewis <gkreme RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> I do wish there was a "return to login screen" setting somewhere. I
> don't want to be logged out, but I'd prefer if the machine when waking
> from screensaver or display sleep was at the login window.

?????

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dorayme
 >> Stay informed about: I'd like to discuss sleep mode for Mac 

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<doraymeRidThis-E2E493.12175608022008.RemoveThis@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>,
dorayme <doraymeRidThis.RemoveThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> In article <gkreme-DD6C2B.17450407022008.RemoveThis@news.giganews.com>,
> Lewis <gkreme.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I do wish there was a "return to login screen" setting somewhere. I
> > don't want to be logged out, but I'd prefer if the machine when waking
> > from screensaver or display sleep was at the login window.
>
> ?????

With Fast User Switching, it's possible to go to the login screen
without logging out. You stay logged in in the background, and any
applications you have running stay running, but the console displays the
login screen. He'd like to be able to make the computer do that after a
certain amount of idle time.

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