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toyo

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Since: Jan 23, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:50 am
Post subject: help: I'm a mac newbie
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I Was just given 2 Mac systems from a company who is upgrading their
hardware.The first one is a Mac G3 tower and the other one a
Powercomputing powerpro 180.Both HDs were removed and kept by the
company. I was given a Mac OS 8.1 CD and that's all the software I have
for both systems. I installed a PC formatted IDE 20 gig on the Mac G3
and boot up the OS CD but the system does not seems to see the HD. I
presume I need to format the HD but how do I go about it with what I
have. TIA for all the help.

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Bill

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:55 am
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In article <A32yf.945$La2.41273@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Trifecta <Toyo RemoveThis @sleepwell.org> wrote:

> I Was just given 2 Mac systems from a company who is upgrading their
> hardware.The first one is a Mac G3 tower and the other one a
> Powercomputing powerpro 180.Both HDs were removed and kept by the
> company. I was given a Mac OS 8.1 CD and that's all the software I have
> for both systems. I installed a PC formatted IDE 20 gig on the Mac G3
> and boot up the OS CD but the system does not seems to see the HD. I
> presume I need to format the HD but how do I go about it with what I
> have. TIA for all the help.

From your message, sounds like the G3 booted OK from the CD.

On the CD, there is an application program called Drive Setup. It is
probably inside a folder called Utilities.

Use Drive Setup to format the HD. Format it as Mac Extended Format
(otherwise known as HFS+). Don't use Mac Standard, as that will make
very inefficient use of a drive larger then about 500 MB.

You have the choice of formatting the drive as one volume or multiple
volumes. Your choice. I would probably format it as one volume unless
there were good reason to format as more than one. Others may have
different opinions about this. BTW, "volume" is the official Mac
parlance for what many call "partitions."

Use the on-screen help file for assistance with the details, if you need
it.

After you have formatted the drive, you can install OS 8 on it from the
CD.

You may want to get an OS X disk and boot and install from that. That
machine should run OS X, if it has a goodly amount of RAM (At least 512
MB).

Some early G3s need to have the volume where OS X is installed be the
first volume on the disk, and be no larger than 8 GB. If your machine is
in that category, that would be a good reason for formatting the drive
as two volumes. You may be able to discover if your machine is in that
category from the Support section of the Apple web site, under
Specifications.

G3s that have built-in USB ports will install and run versions of OS X
up to 10.3.9. If the machine has a built-in Firewire port, it will
install and run OS X 10.4. You can find out from the Specifications on
the Apple web site what versions of the Mac OS are supported on that
machine.

If I were you, I would not fiddle around with the Power Computing
machine. It can probably be made to work OK, but it is around 10 years
old, and would need significant upgrade to be able to run recent
software. For one thing, you would probably need a SCSI drive for it,
and those are hard to come by nowadays; you might find a used SCSI drive
on eBay.

Bill Collins

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Michael Sullivan

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Since: Aug 18, 2005
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:26 pm
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Bill <bbcollins RemoveThis @invalid.earthlink.net> wrote:

> If I were you, I would not fiddle around with the Power Computing
> machine. It can probably be made to work OK, but it is around 10 years
> old, and would need significant upgrade to be able to run recent
> software.

I can't imagine it being worth upgrading when you can grab old imacs for
$100.

It's going to cost more than that to get a 604/180 to run anything
modern. It's only worth anything if you've got enough old software to
justify running it pretty much as is. I have a few old 7300s. I use
them for little servers that don't take much CPU but I don't want
running on other production machines. Stuff like internal DNS, etc.

For that kind of use, or for real simple home or small business use
(i.e. dialup internet only, mostly email, etc.), it's probably okay, as
long as the user knows how to configure everything for old software
(since nobody else will anymore).


Michael
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Since: Jan 19, 2006
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:36 pm
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What Bill said. Use Drive Setup to partition your hard drive into two
volumes. The first one should be 7.99 GB (7990 MB). Install your pre OS
X (10) on both partitions. Once you get OS 10.3 or 10.4, install it on
the first volume, overwriting your earlier OS (choose from installatin
Options). Then you can restart in OS 8 using the Startup Disk System
Preference in OS X. You may need to get a copy of XPostFacto (shareware
from macsales.com) to install OS X on your older machine. If you get a
copy of OS 9, install that on the second partition over OS 8, then select
it as the source for your OS X Classic Environment. Don't forget to
update your operating systems to the most recent patches (freeware at
Apple.com). Max out your RAM. Consider processor upgrades and install
the patches from their manufacturers.

N

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Bill wrote:

> In article <A32yf.945$La2.41273@news20.bellglobal.com>,
> Trifecta <Toyo.RemoveThis@sleepwell.org> wrote:
>
>> I Was just given 2 Mac systems from a company who is upgrading their
>> hardware.The first one is a Mac G3 tower and the other one a
>> Powercomputing powerpro 180.Both HDs were removed and kept by the
>> company. I was given a Mac OS 8.1 CD and that's all the software I have
>> for both systems. I installed a PC formatted IDE 20 gig on the Mac G3
>> and boot up the OS CD but the system does not seems to see the HD. I
>> presume I need to format the HD but how do I go about it with what I
>> have. TIA for all the help.
>
> From your message, sounds like the G3 booted OK from the CD.
>
> On the CD, there is an application program called Drive Setup. It is
> probably inside a folder called Utilities.
>
> Use Drive Setup to format the HD. Format it as Mac Extended Format
> (otherwise known as HFS+). Don't use Mac Standard, as that will make
> very inefficient use of a drive larger then about 500 MB.
>
> You have the choice of formatting the drive as one volume or multiple
> volumes. Your choice. I would probably format it as one volume unless
> there were good reason to format as more than one. Others may have
> different opinions about this. BTW, "volume" is the official Mac
> parlance for what many call "partitions."
>
> Use the on-screen help file for assistance with the details, if you need
> it.
>
> After you have formatted the drive, you can install OS 8 on it from the
> CD.
>
> You may want to get an OS X disk and boot and install from that. That
> machine should run OS X, if it has a goodly amount of RAM (At least 512
> MB).
>
> Some early G3s need to have the volume where OS X is installed be the
> first volume on the disk, and be no larger than 8 GB. If your machine is
> in that category, that would be a good reason for formatting the drive
> as two volumes. You may be able to discover if your machine is in that
> category from the Support section of the Apple web site, under
> Specifications.
>
> G3s that have built-in USB ports will install and run versions of OS X
> up to 10.3.9. If the machine has a built-in Firewire port, it will
> install and run OS X 10.4. You can find out from the Specifications on
> the Apple web site what versions of the Mac OS are supported on that
> machine.
>
> If I were you, I would not fiddle around with the Power Computing
> machine. It can probably be made to work OK, but it is around 10 years
> old, and would need significant upgrade to be able to run recent
> software. For one thing, you would probably need a SCSI drive for it,
> and those are hard to come by nowadays; you might find a used SCSI drive
> on eBay.
>
> Bill Collins
>
> --
> For email, remove invalid.
>
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