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Ymir

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:26 pm
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In article <slrnfs14c2.3ag.foo.DeleteThis@ID-256592.user.individual.net>,
Ian Gregory <foo.DeleteThis@prdetfanaaeextna.invalid> wrote:

> On 2008-02-23, Richard Maine <nospam.DeleteThis@see.signature> wrote:
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger.DeleteThis@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article
> >> <Mencken-C062F8.11593023022008.DeleteThis@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> >> Ockham's Razor <Mencken.DeleteThis@pdx.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > > Could this mean that they are about to release new iMac models?
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps. It might be the only way to overcome the short comings of
> >> > Leopard.
> >>
> >> What are you talking about?
> >
> > Sounds like trolling to me.
>
> That much is obvious.
>
> I do have a related question though. Apple's update server
> collects all necessary data to determine the hardware and
> OS version of all systems using it. Statistics about the
> number of machines running Tiger, Leopard etc could clearly
> be auto generated. I realise that Apple is under no obligation
> to make any such statistics public, and there are probably a
> number of reasons not to, but does any one know if they do?

Unless they collect some sort of unique machine identifier, the stats
would probably be biased towards more recent OS versions since early
adopters likely check for updates at more frequent intervals (also,
machines without internet connections wouldn't be included and those
probably include some of the oldest systems in use, though I suspect the
percentage of machines without some sort of network connection, even if
only intermittent, is not terribly significant).

André

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nospamatall

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:49 pm
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Lewis wrote:
> In article <Mencken-1F20E3.16131323022008 DeleteThis @news.dsl>,
> Ockham's Razor <Mencken DeleteThis @pdx.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <michelle-11BC47.13511023022008 DeleteThis @news.west.cox.net>,
>> Michelle Steiner <michelle DeleteThis @michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <Mencken-C062F8.11593023022008 DeleteThis @sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
>>> Ockham's Razor <Mencken DeleteThis @pdx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Could this mean that they are about to release new iMac models?
>>>> Perhaps. It might be the only way to overcome the short comings of
>>>> Leopard.
>>> What new hardware would overcome the supposed shortcomings of Leopard?
>> Macfixit is a recurring litany of people having problems with Leopard.
>> Perhaps it just doesn't "click" with existing Apple computer
>> architecture and that hardware needs some modification.
>
> Macfixit is designed to draw out people who have issues, and you don't
> know enough about there issues.
>
> As an example, I was recently reading a complaint about Leopard being
> unstable, but it turned out the person was running it on a 400Mhz G4 and
> had hacked the installer. He'd also stripped out all the 'extra stuff'
> to 'conserve space'.
>
> As I told him, if you're running your customized leopard on your
> unsupported hardware, you have no cause for complaint if something
> doesn't work.
>
> There's a lot of those sorts on MacFixit.

I think a lot of the old CSMA trolls are there, along with some of their
bretheren. They get taken seriously there.

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Ian Gregory

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:49 pm
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On 2008-02-24, Ockham's Razor <Mencken RemoveThis @pdx.net> wrote:

> Hell, I don't know, it was just a thought. But, 10.5 seems to have
> caused more than the usual share of problems not only with other apple
> programs but many 3rd party applications that people seem to want and
> need.

People tend to forget about the problems "caused" by earlier
releases (remember the hoohah about the 10.3 install causing
catastrophic data loss on attached FireWire drives for example).
Unfortunately, the more improvements there are in a release, the
more problems will be encountered. This is the price of progress:-)

But I have been reading this group since before 10.3 and I don't
get the impression that the 10.5 transition has been significantly
more problematic than any other - and there have been many people
for whom 10.5 has been entirely unproblematic.

Ian

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Ian Gregory

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:50 pm
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On 2008-02-24, Ymir <invalid.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnfs14c2.3ag.foo.RemoveThis@ID-256592.user.individual.net>,
> Ian Gregory <foo.RemoveThis@prdetfanaaeextna.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> I do have a related question though. Apple's update server
>> collects all necessary data to determine the hardware and
>> OS version of all systems using it. Statistics about the
>> number of machines running Tiger, Leopard etc could clearly
>> be auto generated. I realise that Apple is under no obligation
>> to make any such statistics public, and there are probably a
>> number of reasons not to, but does any one know if they do?
>
> Unless they collect some sort of unique machine identifier, the stats
> would probably be biased towards more recent OS versions since early
> adopters likely check for updates at more frequent intervals

I don't know if they can uniquely identify machines, though
if someone registers their machine during an OS installation
then until they do an erase and install I guess their machine
will be identifiable to Apple. Also, although early adopters
may check for updates more frequently, they will generally
take each particular update only once (unless like Mark Conrad
they erase and install their machine every other day to test
their backup system).

> (also,
> machines without internet connections wouldn't be included and those
> probably include some of the oldest systems in use, though I suspect the
> percentage of machines without some sort of network connection, even if
> only intermittent, is not terribly significant).

I tend to agree. When my Internet connection goes down the
usefulness of my machine is reduced by about three orders
of magnitude!

Ian

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P. Sture

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:18 am
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In article <sehix-BD9726.17473723022008 RemoveThis @news.speakeasy.net>,
Steve Hix <sehix RemoveThis @NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:

> When Tiger was released, MacFixit was a recurring litany of people
> having problems with Tiger. But Jaguar was just fine.

My experience was that Panther offered better performance and stability
than Jaguar. Tiger was at 10.4 before I got there, but again a
performance boost over Panther, I suspect largely to do with memory and
swapfile management.

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:12 pm
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I Think it would be cool if someone made a skin for the white imacs that looked like the new ones. I personally love the white look. But I know many who prefer the aluminum look.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:33 pm
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A rumor site is reporting that iMacs could be updated next Tuesday (4
March):

http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/27/penryn-imacs-next-tuesday/

Penryn iMacs Next Tuesday?

"MacNotes.de received unconfirmed word that new Penryn based iMacs
would be seen next Tuesday, continuing Apple's pattern of weekly
announcements since Macworld.

"There's been no independant confirmation of such an announcement, but
would be consistent with rumors that Apple is transitioning their Merom
processor based Macs over to Penryn due to a planned phase out of Merom
processors in the coming months."
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:11 am
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:21:15 -0500, Ian Gregory wrote
(in article <slrnfs3rfj.8hl.foo.TakeThisOut@ID-256592.user.individual.net>):

> On 2008-02-24, Ockham's Razor <Mencken.TakeThisOut@pdx.net> wrote:
>
>> Hell, I don't know, it was just a thought. But, 10.5 seems to have
>> caused more than the usual share of problems not only with other apple
>> programs but many 3rd party applications that people seem to want and
>> need.
>
> People tend to forget about the problems "caused" by earlier
> releases (remember the hoohah about the 10.3 install causing
> catastrophic data loss on attached FireWire drives for example).

I remember hearing about it. I never saw it. For one thing, at the time I
used an external FireWire drive as my boot drive for many different machines.
I've still got that drive, and have never had any major data lose, and
especially never had any data loss due to installing a new OS...

> Unfortunately, the more improvements there are in a release, the
> more problems will be encountered. This is the price of progress:-)
>
> But I have been reading this group since before 10.3 and I don't
> get the impression that the 10.5 transition has been significantly
> more problematic than any other - and there have been many people
> for whom 10.5 has been entirely unproblematic.
>
> Ian
>
>



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(Msg. 24) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:21 pm
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On 2008-02-28, J.J O'Shea <try.not.to.RemoveThis@but.see.sig> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:21:15 -0500, Ian Gregory wrote
> (in article <slrnfs3rfj.8hl.foo.RemoveThis@ID-256592.user.individual.net>):
>>
>> People tend to forget about the problems "caused" by earlier
>> releases (remember the hoohah about the 10.3 install causing
>> catastrophic data loss on attached FireWire drives for example).
>
> I remember hearing about it. I never saw it. For one thing, at the time I
> used an external FireWire drive as my boot drive for many different machines.
> I've still got that drive, and have never had any major data lose, and
> especially never had any data loss due to installing a new OS...

But is it a FireWire 800 with the Oxford 922 bridge chipset?
And was it running firmware version 1.02 or earlier at the
time you upgraded to Mac OS X 10.3? If not then you wouldn't
have seen the problem. The people affected were generally not
using the external disk as a boot drive. They did a successful
OS install on their internal drive and then after restarting
under Panther, any connected external drives matching the
above description became completely inaccessible - not even
recoverable by any disk recovery applications.

See "Revisiting Panther's Firewire Data Loss Problem":

http://db.tidbits.com/article/7586

Ian

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(Msg. 25) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:21 pm
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:21:58 -0500, Ian Gregory wrote
(in article <slrnfsdkd7.g91.foo RemoveThis @ID-256592.user.individual.net>):

> On 2008-02-28, J.J O'Shea <try.not.to RemoveThis @but.see.sig> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:21:15 -0500, Ian Gregory wrote
>> (in article <slrnfs3rfj.8hl.foo RemoveThis @ID-256592.user.individual.net>):
>>>
>>> People tend to forget about the problems "caused" by earlier
>>> releases (remember the hoohah about the 10.3 install causing
>>> catastrophic data loss on attached FireWire drives for example).
>>
>> I remember hearing about it. I never saw it. For one thing, at the time I
>> used an external FireWire drive as my boot drive for many different
>> machines.
>> I've still got that drive, and have never had any major data lose, and
>> especially never had any data loss due to installing a new OS...
>
> But is it a FireWire 800 with the Oxford 922 bridge chipset?

Nope. FireWire 400. I had to connect to multiple machines, some of which
didn't have FW 800.

However, I installed Panther on that drive while it as connected to a machine
which _did_ have FW 800 drives connected, via a different FW port. No loss on
those drives, either.

> And was it running firmware version 1.02 or earlier at the
> time you upgraded to Mac OS X 10.3? If not then you wouldn't
> have seen the problem. The people affected were generally not
> using the external disk as a boot drive. They did a successful
> OS install on their internal drive and then after restarting
> under Panther, any connected external drives matching the
> above description became completely inaccessible - not even
> recoverable by any disk recovery applications.
>
> See "Revisiting Panther's Firewire Data Loss Problem":
>
> http://db.tidbits.com/article/7586

I donno. I never had any such problems with either FW 400 or FW 800 drives.

>
> Ian
>
>



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