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<24ae9cc5-c04a-46d7-8414-4a0952b1343f.RemoveThis@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
childish.chris.RemoveThis@googlemail.com wrote:

> What is the name of the next big cat?
>
> So we've had Cheetah, Puma, Tiger, Leopard, Jaguar, Panther
>
>
> I guess that leaves:
>
> Lion, cougar
>
>
> - Isn't the tIger the biggest of the cats? Perhaps that should have
> come last.

Liger is the biggest cat:

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On 2008-05-26 14:52:22 +0100, childish.chris.RemoveThis@googlemail.com said:

> What is the name of the next big cat?
>
> So we've had Cheetah, Puma, Tiger, Leopard, Jaguar, Panther
>
>
> I guess that leaves:
>
> Lion, cougar
>
>
> - Isn't the tIger the biggest of the cats? Perhaps that should have
> come last.

How about "Bob" ?
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On May 27, 9:00 am, nos....DeleteThis@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> Bob Blaylock <BobHatesS....DeleteThis@Blaylock.to.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <24ae9cc5-c04a-46d7-8414-4a0952b13....DeleteThis@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> >  childish.ch...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > > - Isn't the tIger the biggest of the cats?
>
> >   The biggest of all cats is the Liger, a hybrid produced by mating a
> > male lion with a female tiger.  This happens occasionally in captivity,
> > but is extremely rare in the wild.
>
> >    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger
>
> But it doen't breed true,
>
> Jan

There are some very messed up people in this world. Who would think
it's a good idea to mate a lion with a tiger? Jeez.

I bet someone out there has tried everything:

- Rhino + Hippo
- Frog + Toad
- Hare + Rabbit
- Tiger + Domestic cat


I wouldn't have thought that the off-spring would be viable when two
distict species are bought together.



On the subject of tigers vs lions: tigers are not only bigger but they
look prettier.
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Bob Blaylock <BobHatesSpam.TakeThisOut@Blaylock.to.invalid> wrote:

> In article
> <24ae9cc5-c04a-46d7-8414-4a0952b1343f.TakeThisOut@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> childish.chris.TakeThisOut@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > - Isn't the tIger the biggest of the cats?
>
> The biggest of all cats is the Liger, a hybrid produced by mating a
> male lion with a female tiger. This happens occasionally in captivity,
> but is extremely rare in the wild.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger

But it doen't breed true,

Jan
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On May 27, 8:53 pm, nos... RemoveThis @de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> <London.Embankm... RemoveThis @googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On May 27, 9:00 am, nos... RemoveThis @de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> > > Bob Blaylock <BobHatesS... RemoveThis @Blaylock.to.invalid> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <24ae9cc5-c04a-46d7-8414-4a0952b13... RemoveThis @c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > childish.ch... RemoveThis @googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > - Isn't the tIger the biggest of the cats?
>
> > > > The biggest of all cats is the Liger, a hybrid produced by mating a
> > > > male lion with a female tiger. This happens occasionally in captivity,
> > > > but is extremely rare in the wild.
>
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger
>
> > > But it doen't breed true,
>
> > > Jan
>
> > There are some very messed up people in this world. Who would think
> > it's a good idea to mate a lion with a tiger? Jeez.
>
> Scientific curiosity, you know.
> Antway, long ago, before humans interfered
> the occasional liger (and tiglon) may have been borne.
> Originally the habitats of lions and tigers did overlap.
> (there are still some native lions in India)
>
> > I bet someone out there has tried everything:
>
> > - Rhino + Hippo
> > - Frog + Toad
> > - Hare + Rabbit
> > - Tiger + Domestic cat
>
> All cat species can be crossed, if you really try.
>
> > I wouldn't have thought that the off-spring would be viable when two
> > distict species are bought together.
>
> You are way to naive in your ideas about biology.
> As for the big cats:
> some of the hybrids have been crossed back succesfully.
> The idea that hybrids -must- be sterile
> is a naive overgeneralization from one example.
>
> > On the subject of tigers vs lions: tigers are not only bigger but they
> > look prettier.
>
> Which kind of lion, and which kind of tiger?
>
> Jan

Hey Jan,

I was looking at Wikipedia when I saw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_intelligence
.. Look at the photo on the top right!!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cats_reading.jpg


also: cat in iMac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Yet_another_lolcat.jpg
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<London.Embankment.DeleteThis@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On May 27, 9:00 am, nos....DeleteThis@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> > Bob Blaylock <BobHatesS....DeleteThis@Blaylock.to.invalid> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <24ae9cc5-c04a-46d7-8414-4a0952b13....DeleteThis@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > childish.ch....DeleteThis@googlemail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > - Isn't the tIger the biggest of the cats?
> >
> > > The biggest of all cats is the Liger, a hybrid produced by mating a
> > > male lion with a female tiger. This happens occasionally in captivity,
> > > but is extremely rare in the wild.
> >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger
> >
> > But it doen't breed true,
> >
> > Jan
>
> There are some very messed up people in this world. Who would think
> it's a good idea to mate a lion with a tiger? Jeez.

Scientific curiosity, you know.
Antway, long ago, before humans interfered
the occasional liger (and tiglon) may have been borne.
Originally the habitats of lions and tigers did overlap.
(there are still some native lions in India)

> I bet someone out there has tried everything:
>
> - Rhino + Hippo
> - Frog + Toad
> - Hare + Rabbit
> - Tiger + Domestic cat

All cat species can be crossed, if you really try.

> I wouldn't have thought that the off-spring would be viable when two
> distict species are bought together.

You are way to naive in your ideas about biology.
As for the big cats:
some of the hybrids have been crossed back succesfully.
The idea that hybrids -must- be sterile
is a naive overgeneralization from one example.

> On the subject of tigers vs lions: tigers are not only bigger but they
> look prettier.

Which kind of lion, and which kind of tiger?

Jan
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On Tue, 27 May 2008 21:53:53 +0200, nospam.RemoveThis@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:

>> I wouldn't have thought that the off-spring would be viable when two
>> distict species are bought together.
>
>You are way to naive in your ideas about biology.
>As for the big cats:
>some of the hybrids have been crossed back succesfully.
>The idea that hybrids -must- be sterile
>is a naive overgeneralization from one example.

There are quite a few examples of hybrids that are mostly sterile.
More experimenting has been done with plants than with animals.

Very rarely a mule and in at least one case a hinny has born young.

Some cross breeding can save a species from dying out altogether. Of
the cats, cheetahs are the least genetically diverse and might need
some help to survive.
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On Tue, 27 May 2008 13:43:29 -0700 (PDT),
childish.chris.DeleteThis@googlemail.com wrote:

>For offspring to be viable don't the number of chromosomes have to be
>the same from both parents?

You mean like both genders having a Y chromosome?
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On May 28, 9:17 am, nos... DeleteThis @de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> <childish.ch... DeleteThis @googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On May 27, 8:53 pm, nos... DeleteThis @de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> > > <London.Embankm... DeleteThis @googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > On May 27, 9:00 am, nos... DeleteThis @de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> > > > > Bob Blaylock <BobHatesS... DeleteThis @Blaylock.to.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <24ae9cc5-c04a-46d7-8414-4a0952b13... DeleteThis @c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > >  childish.ch...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > - Isn't the tIger the biggest of the cats?
>
> > > > > >   The biggest of all cats is the Liger, a hybrid produced by
> > > > > > mating a male lion with a female tiger.  This happens occasionally
> > > > > > in captivity, but is extremely rare in the wild.
>
> > > > > >    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger
>
> > > > > But it doen't breed true,
>
> > > > > Jan
>
> > > > There are some very messed up people in this world. Who would think
> > > > it's a good idea to mate a lion with a tiger? Jeez.
>
> > > Scientific curiosity, you know.
> > > Antway, long ago, before humans interfered
> > > the occasional liger (and tiglon) may have been borne.
> > > Originally the habitats of lions and tigers did overlap.
> > > (there are still some native lions in India)
>
> > > > I bet someone out there has tried everything:
>
> > > > - Rhino + Hippo
> > > > - Frog + Toad
> > > > - Hare + Rabbit
> > > > - Tiger + Domestic cat
>
> > > All cat species can be crossed, if you really try.
>
> > > > I wouldn't have thought that the off-spring would be viable when two
> > > > distict species are bought together.
>
> > > You are way to naive in your ideas about biology.
> > > As for the big cats:
> > > some of the hybrids have been crossed back succesfully.
> > > The idea that hybrids -must- be sterile
> > > is a naive overgeneralization from one example.
>
> > > > On the subject of tigers vs lions: tigers are not only bigger but they
> > > > look prettier.
>
> > > Which kind of lion, and which kind of tiger?
>
> > > Jan
>
> > For offspring to be viable don't the number of chromosomes have to be
> > the same from both parents?
>
> That sure helps, but it isn't absolutely necessary.
> When a chromosome breaks (or two join) the pieces will pair with the
> corresponding half of the whole. (if still possible)
>
> > I thought a species was, by definition, unable to breed with a
> > different species (i.e. fertilisation cannot occur).
>
> In kindergarten biology, sure.
> Reality is more complicated than that.
>

Jan

In theory (like in a test tube) could a monkey and man be 'mixed'. I
don't think it would work. Otherwise we'd have half-human men swinging
from trees and stuff.
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<childish.chris.RemoveThis@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On May 27, 8:53 pm, nos....RemoveThis@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> > <London.Embankm....RemoveThis@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > On May 27, 9:00 am, nos....RemoveThis@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> > > > Bob Blaylock <BobHatesS....RemoveThis@Blaylock.to.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <24ae9cc5-c04a-46d7-8414-4a0952b13....RemoveThis@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > childish.ch....RemoveThis@googlemail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > > - Isn't the tIger the biggest of the cats?
> >
> > > > > The biggest of all cats is the Liger, a hybrid produced by
> > > > > mating a male lion with a female tiger. This happens occasionally
> > > > > in captivity, but is extremely rare in the wild.
> >
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger
> >
> > > > But it doen't breed true,
> >
> > > > Jan
> >
> > > There are some very messed up people in this world. Who would think
> > > it's a good idea to mate a lion with a tiger? Jeez.
> >
> > Scientific curiosity, you know.
> > Antway, long ago, before humans interfered
> > the occasional liger (and tiglon) may have been borne.
> > Originally the habitats of lions and tigers did overlap.
> > (there are still some native lions in India)
> >
> > > I bet someone out there has tried everything:
> >
> > > - Rhino + Hippo
> > > - Frog + Toad
> > > - Hare + Rabbit
> > > - Tiger + Domestic cat
> >
> > All cat species can be crossed, if you really try.
> >
> > > I wouldn't have thought that the off-spring would be viable when two
> > > distict species are bought together.
> >
> > You are way to naive in your ideas about biology.
> > As for the big cats:
> > some of the hybrids have been crossed back succesfully.
> > The idea that hybrids -must- be sterile
> > is a naive overgeneralization from one example.
> >
> > > On the subject of tigers vs lions: tigers are not only bigger but they
> > > look prettier.
> >
> > Which kind of lion, and which kind of tiger?
> >
> > Jan
>
> For offspring to be viable don't the number of chromosomes have to be
> the same from both parents?

That sure helps, but it isn't absolutely necessary.
When a chromosome breaks (or two join) the pieces will pair with the
corresponding half of the whole. (if still possible)

> I thought a species was, by definition, unable to breed with a
> different species (i.e. fertilisation cannot occur).

In kindergarten biology, sure.
Reality is more complicated than that.

> Off topic:

Indeed. Time to stop.

Jan
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Howard Brazee <howard RemoveThis @brazee.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 27 May 2008 21:53:53 +0200, nospam RemoveThis @de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) wrote:
>
> >> I wouldn't have thought that the off-spring would be viable when two
> >> distict species are bought together.
> >
> >You are way to naive in your ideas about biology.
> >As for the big cats:
> >some of the hybrids have been crossed back succesfully.
> >The idea that hybrids -must- be sterile
> >is a naive overgeneralization from one example.
>
> There are quite a few examples of hybrids that are mostly sterile.
> More experimenting has been done with plants than with animals.
>
> Very rarely a mule and in at least one case a hinny has born young.

I read about one.

They named it 'Blue Moon',

Jan
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:40:04 -0500, London.Embankment.TakeThisOut@googlemail.com wrote
(in article
<f87df7c4-f098-4696-91ab-250f43a09b48.TakeThisOut@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>):

> In theory (like in a test tube) could a monkey and man be 'mixed'. I don't
> think it would work. Otherwise we'd have half-human men swinging from
> trees and stuff.

That a monkey and a man could be mixed has been proven--just take a look at
the President of the United States!



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In article <0001HW.C462E1D3002977F5B01AD9AF RemoveThis @News.Individual.NET>,
TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft RemoveThis @mac.coom> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:40:04 -0500, London.Embankment RemoveThis @googlemail.com wrote
> (in article
> <f87df7c4-f098-4696-91ab-250f43a09b48 RemoveThis @w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > In theory (like in a test tube) could a monkey and man be 'mixed'. I don't
> > think it would work. Otherwise we'd have half-human men swinging from
> > trees and stuff.
>
> That a monkey and a man could be mixed has been proven--just take a look at
> the President of the United States!

Please refrain from insulting monkeys!
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