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On 2007-08-30 13:25:36 -0500, Nautilus said:

> On 2007-08-30 19:59:28 +0200, Jolly Roger said:
>
>> You forgot Entourage.
>
> I don't really know Entourage.

So? You asked about email clients that supported threading. Entourage
supports threading, and does it very well.

But yeah, don't bother looking at software you don't already know -
what a waste of time *that* would be! Pffft...

> But as far as I have heard, it is a complete PIM, so it isn't what I'm
> looking for.

Is there some law I'm not aware of that mandates you must use all
aspects of every piece of software on your computer? Nothing prevents
you from using Entourage just for email. In fact you never need to see
the other parts of Entourage if you don't want to. Tons of people do it
every day.

> And besides it's by Microsoft.

Again - so? The people on the Mac development team who created
Entourage happen to be some of the same people who worked for Apple to
create Apple's Claris Emailer. In many respects, Entourage is a natural
progression from Claris Emailer to something better. Besides, if a
piece of software works well and gets a job done, I personally don't
care who produces it.

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> Again - so? The people on the Mac development team who created
> Entourage happen to be some of the same people who worked for Apple to
> create Apple's Claris Emailer. In many respects, Entourage is a natural
> progression from Claris Emailer to something better. Besides, if a
> piece of software works well and gets a job done, I personally don't
> care who produces it.

Is there anything that you don't like about Entourage? Any features
that are obviously missing that Mail users commonly use? I never
thought of trying it til you suggested it. Naturally most of us will
lean away from Microsoft, but MS Word treats me well so they can't be
all bad.....lol.
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Nautilus wrote:

> Thunderbird does it of course, but it isn't a native Mac program.

Um, so you're saying it runs under Mac OS X and does exactly what you
want it to but you're not going to use it anyway because of just what
now?

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Nautilus wrote:

> On 2007-08-30 19:59:28 +0200, Jolly Roger said:
>
> > You forgot Entourage.
>
> I don't really know Entourage. But as far as I have heard, it is a
> complete PIM, so it isn't what I'm looking for. And besides it's by
> Microsoft.

So what's the real problem with Thunderbird if it will do what you want?
Most of the others you've mentioned aren't by Apple either.

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On 2007-08-30 21:33:37 -0500, "Little Sir Echo" <justwondering@aboutall
this.net> said:

> I'm inclined to agree with you about Entourage but somewhere I read or heard
> that Microsoft is not going to support it much longer.

Huh? No, I think you must be thinking of Microsoft's "Expression
Media", and that was an unsubstantiated rumor AFAIK, because Microsoft
appears to be actively developing it:

<http://www.microsoft.com/expression/products/overview.aspx>

> Do you (or anyone else) know if that is true? And what difference does it
> make if it is true?

I've heard no such thing about Entourage or any other part of Microsoft
Office for Mac. In fact, Microsoft is actively developing Office 2008
for Mac, and promises lots of great new features:

<http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/01/09/msftoffice/index.php>

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On 2007-08-30 21:54:25 -0500, Ian Gregory said:

> But having
> decided to use an altertative MUA it makes little odds whether it is
> "native" (by which I really mean written in Cocoa).

I'm unable to tell what this sentence means. Can you re-word it?

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On 2007-08-31 00:43:45 -0500, "Little Sir Echo" <justwondering@aboutall
this.net> said:

> Now if I can somehow get my Outlook Contacts transferred to my Mac--bye, bye
> Windows.

Have you searched Google? There are plenty of ways to do that.

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On 31-Aug-2007, Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2007-08-31 00:43:45 -0500, "Little Sir Echo" <justwondering@aboutall
> this.net> said:
>
> > Now if I can somehow get my Outlook Contacts transferred to my Mac--bye,
> > bye
> > Windows.
>
> Have you searched Google? There are plenty of ways to do that.
>

I'll do it first thing in the morning!

Thanks for the suggestion and help.
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On 2007-08-30, Mike Rosenberg wrote:
> Nautilus wrote:
>
>> Thunderbird does it of course, but it isn't a native Mac program.
>
> Um, so you're saying it runs under Mac OS X and does exactly what you
> want it to but you're not going to use it anyway because of just what
> now?

If possible I would prefer to do everything with only a standard install
of Mac OS X and iLife. Email is one area where I have to go with another
program. Mail just doesn't do what I want in the way I want. But having
decided to use an altertative MUA it makes little odds whether it is
"native" (by which I really mean written in Cocoa). Mutt seems to fit
the bill, with many elegant features, not too much bloat, and great
flexibility - if you don't mind (or indeed prefer, as I do) non GUI
apps for this sort of thing. Go for mutt-devel (I am on 1.5.15).

Ian

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On 30-Aug-2007, Jolly Roger wrote:

> > I'm inclined to agree with you about Entourage but somewhere I read or
> > heard
> > that Microsoft is not going to support it much longer.
>
> Huh? No, I think you must be thinking of Microsoft's "Expression
> Media", and that was an unsubstantiated rumor AFAIK, because Microsoft
> appears to be actively developing it:
>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/expression/products/overview.aspx>
>
> > Do you (or anyone else) know if that is true? And what difference does
> > it
> > make if it is true?
>
> I've heard no such thing about Entourage or any other part of Microsoft
> Office for Mac. In fact, Microsoft is actively developing Office 2008
> for Mac, and promises lots of great new features:

Man, do I hope you are correct as I am wating to be done using Outlook on my
Dell now that I have a Mac G5 running Mac OS X 10.4.10.

In fact, I'd like to be done with my Dell period.

I have nothing against Dell; the problem is Windows and I am running XP
Professional.

Now if I can somehow get my Outlook Contacts transferred to my Mac--bye, bye
Windows.
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On 2007-08-31, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2007-08-30 21:54:25 -0500, Ian Gregory said:
>
>> But having
>> decided to use an altertative MUA it makes little odds whether it is
>> "native" (by which I really mean written in Cocoa).
>
> I'm unable to tell what this sentence means. Can you re-word it?

What do have a problem with? MUA? - "Mail User Agent".

The misspelling of "alternative"?

Or my parenthetical remark about what constitutes a "native" Mac
OS X application? Is an X11 app native because Mac OS X includes
an X 11 server? Does it have to use a GUI at all (how about any
bash script?). If it does then does it have to use Aqua? And does
it have to use Cocoa, or do Carbonized pre-OS X apps count? What
did the OP mean by native? Cross platform apps can be native on
multiple platforms but perhaps require emulation on others.

Ian

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On 31-Aug-2007, Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2007-08-31 00:43:45 -0500, "Little Sir Echo" <justwondering@aboutall
> this.net> said:
>
> > Now if I can somehow get my Outlook Contacts transferred to my Mac--bye,
> > bye Windows.
>
> Have you searched Google? There are plenty of ways to do that.

Thanks, JR. It was not difficult at all to move my Outlook Contacts to my
Mac Address Book.

There is a little cleaning up to do, but it appears that all the data
transferred.

I believe I discovered the source of my concern with Entourage possibly
being abandoned.

It appears that one of the newgroups dealing with it is being discontinued.
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