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In article <gkreme-52FBBF.08265525022008.DeleteThis@news.giganews.com>,
Lewis <gkreme.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <q5j5s3t78pmn8h6gvpavp7ct0hgfit7ps0.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
> Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA.DeleteThis@attglobal.net> wrote:
> > Do you have any opinion on Xslimmer or any similar program?
>
> Yeah, sure. Don't.
>
> > Have you used or tested this kind of programs?
>
> Yep.
>
> > Is there a risk that your Mac would be more unstable after using them?
>
> Sure, any time you muck about in the system space there is a chance for
> destruction.
>
> That said, i have tried out, I think it was monolingual, on a laptop and
> it seemed to go ok. It saved about 2GB of space total, which si
> something, though not, imo, significant enough to bother with. It also
> took quite a long time.
>
> If you're on a laptop and you're really crammed for space, and you have
> backups... well, it might be worth risking.

The Xslimmer application goes a little beyond monolingual; it can remove
the executable for other architectures, which could produce substantial
savings in disk space. Still not worth the (potential) trouble IMO.

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Tom Stiller

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Lewis <gkreme.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <q5j5s3t78pmn8h6gvpavp7ct0hgfit7ps0.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
> Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA.RemoveThis@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> Do you have any opinion on Xslimmer or any similar program?
>
>Yeah, sure. Don't.
>
>> Have you used or tested this kind of programs?
>
>Yep.
>
>> Is there a risk that your Mac would be more unstable after using them?
>
>Sure, any time you muck about in the system space there is a chance for
>destruction.
>
>That said, i have tried out, I think it was monolingual, on a laptop and
>it seemed to go ok. It saved about 2GB of space total, which si
>something, though not, imo, significant enough to bother with. It also
>took quite a long time.
>
>If you're on a laptop and you're really crammed for space, and you have
>backups... well, it might be worth risking.

Yes, I am on a laptop and also with BootCamp



Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
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In article <q5j5s3t78pmn8h6gvpavp7ct0hgfit7ps0.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA.TakeThisOut@attglobal.net> wrote:

> Dear friends:
>
> Do you have any opinion on Xslimmer or any similar program?
>
> The purpose of these programs is to cut the code of the architecture
> you don't use (PPC on Intel machines and vice versa) on all the
> installed applications, and to cut some language localizations of OSX
> that, most probably, you will never use too. A savings up to 47% in
> disk space for some applications is announced (Google Earth, among
> them). So, they seem attractive.
>
> Have you used or tested this kind of programs? Is there a risk that
> your Mac would be more unstable after using them?

I've written on of them.

For the general desktop user, there's not a HUGE incentive to run these.
They're of more interest for laptop users, for whom adding storage is
often (comparatively) expensive or inconvenient. And there are some
desktop users who are offended by the knowledge that there's space on
their drive being consumed by code they are sure they will never use.

Whichever category you fall into, there's no reason that these programs
should have any impact on the stability of your system or any individual
piece of software. There *are* a handful of programs that notice they've
been trimmed down and intentionally refuse to run. The intent is to
avoid exposing the user to the risk of a compromised app, but the check
they do is so broad that it is tripped by changes in things that were
never guaranteed to remain constant in the first place. Hopefully the
fact that this behavior has caused issues with the 10.5 firewall will
get at least some of those developers to rethink their techniques.
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In article <gkreme-3B5F1D.10191825022008.DeleteThis@news.giganews.com>,
Lewis <gkreme.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <tomstiller-ABE115.11014125022008.DeleteThis@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> Tom Stiller <tomstiller.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > The Xslimmer application goes a little beyond monolingual; it can remove
> > the executable for other architectures, which could produce substantial
> > savings in disk space. Still not worth the (potential) trouble IMO.
>
> monolingual does that also.

I didn't realize that; it's been a while since I looked at monolingual.
Thanks for the correction.

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Tom Stiller

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Gregory Weston <uce RemoveThis @splook.com> wrote:

>In article <q5j5s3t78pmn8h6gvpavp7ct0hgfit7ps0 RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
> Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA RemoveThis @attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends:
>>
>> Do you have any opinion on Xslimmer or any similar program?
>>
>> The purpose of these programs is to cut the code of the architecture
>> you don't use (PPC on Intel machines and vice versa) on all the
>> installed applications, and to cut some language localizations of OSX
>> that, most probably, you will never use too. A savings up to 47% in
>> disk space for some applications is announced (Google Earth, among
>> them). So, they seem attractive.
>>
>> Have you used or tested this kind of programs? Is there a risk that
>> your Mac would be more unstable after using them?
>
>I've written on of them.
>
>For the general desktop user, there's not a HUGE incentive to run these.
>They're of more interest for laptop users, for whom adding storage is
>often (comparatively) expensive or inconvenient. And there are some
>desktop users who are offended by the knowledge that there's space on
>their drive being consumed by code they are sure they will never use.
>
>Whichever category you fall into, there's no reason that these programs
>should have any impact on the stability of your system or any individual
>piece of software. There *are* a handful of programs that notice they've
>been trimmed down and intentionally refuse to run. The intent is to
>avoid exposing the user to the risk of a compromised app, but the check
>they do is so broad that it is tripped by changes in things that were
>never guaranteed to remain constant in the first place. Hopefully the
>fact that this behavior has caused issues with the 10.5 firewall will
>get at least some of those developers to rethink their techniques.


Thanks a lot for your info, Gregory!!!!!



Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
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Gregory Weston <uce DeleteThis @splook.com> wrote:

>In article <q5j5s3t78pmn8h6gvpavp7ct0hgfit7ps0 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
> Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA DeleteThis @attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends:
>>
>> Do you have any opinion on Xslimmer or any similar program?
>>
>> The purpose of these programs is to cut the code of the architecture
>> you don't use (PPC on Intel machines and vice versa) on all the
>> installed applications, and to cut some language localizations of OSX
>> that, most probably, you will never use too. A savings up to 47% in
>> disk space for some applications is announced (Google Earth, among
>> them). So, they seem attractive.
>>
>> Have you used or tested this kind of programs? Is there a risk that
>> your Mac would be more unstable after using them?
>
>I've written on of them.
>
>For the general desktop user, there's not a HUGE incentive to run these.
>They're of more interest for laptop users, for whom adding storage is
>often (comparatively) expensive or inconvenient. And there are some
>desktop users who are offended by the knowledge that there's space on
>their drive being consumed by code they are sure they will never use.
>
>Whichever category you fall into, there's no reason that these programs
>should have any impact on the stability of your system or any individual
>piece of software. There *are* a handful of programs that notice they've
>been trimmed down and intentionally refuse to run. The intent is to
>avoid exposing the user to the risk of a compromised app, but the check
>they do is so broad that it is tripped by changes in things that were
>never guaranteed to remain constant in the first place. Hopefully the
>fact that this behavior has caused issues with the 10.5 firewall will
>get at least some of those developers to rethink their techniques.

I downloaded Xslimmer to evaluate it, and I did a "diagnostic" with
it, without deleting anything. It suggested a savings of 2.2 GB of
disk space, for applications only.

Curiously, the most savings would be on Apple applications, like
iTunes, iDVD, etc., (I would say "i*"), and all the components of
iLife08. The savings on each one application ranged from 50 MB to 150
MB.

I don't have any estimation of the savings regarding the not used
international languages. Does somebody know an estimate saving for
each one deleted?


Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
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In article <okc6s393eqrulm0t8ne148uk8obf9dprmp.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA.RemoveThis@attglobal.net> wrote:

> Curiously, the most savings would be on Apple applications, like
> iTunes, iDVD, etc., (I would say "i*"), and all the components of
> iLife08. The savings on each one application ranged from 50 MB to 150
> MB.
>
> I don't have any estimation of the savings regarding the not used
> international languages. Does somebody know an estimate saving for
> each one deleted?

Lewis showed you some example results and although he didn't call
special attention to it he also gave you the command for finding that
information out for more apps.

Localization files are almost certain to be the big savings in any
commercial OS X app. A single localization folder could quite easily
eclipse the impact of having support for two architectures in the
executable file tucked away inside the application package. Apple, as
you've seen, includes a very large number of localizations. They have a
greater combination of resources and incentive to do so than just about
any other vendor.
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