Will Virtual PC run on Leopard

In article <1193334985.392717.282140.RemoveThis@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
Paul Power <paulkpower.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> WOW, you're Apple tech guy is in the wrong profession. He can see into
> the future. Is his name Criss Angel??? Just kidding. Nobody knows at
> this point.

He could be correct.
I'm sure a few Apple insiders have tried it.
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On Oct 26, 4:13 am, Mac G <tomac... DeleteThis @PCheaven.net> wrote:
> In article <1193334985.392717.282... DeleteThis @v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
> Paul Power <paulkpo... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > WOW, you're Apple tech guy is in the wrong profession. He can see into
> > the future. Is his name Criss Angel??? Just kidding. Nobody knows at
> > this point.
>
> He could be correct.
> I'm sure a few Apple insiders have tried it.

I sure hope he is NOT correct. If so, I will have to defer buying
leopard, even though my G4 machines certainly qualify for it. I don't
use VPC very often, but when I need it, I most certainly need it. It
might cause me to purchase a couple of intel machines, and that will
take quite a bit more saving, than buying leopard.
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On Oct 26, 1:53 pm, RKW <rkevw....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 26, 4:13 am, Mac G <tomac....RemoveThis@PCheaven.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <1193334985.392717.282....RemoveThis@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
> > Paul Power <paulkpo....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > WOW, you're Apple tech guy is in the wrong profession. He can see into
> > > the future. Is his name Criss Angel??? Just kidding. Nobody knows at
> > > this point.
>
> > He could be correct.
> > I'm sure a few Apple insiders have tried it.
>
> I sure hope he is NOT correct. If so, I will have to defer buying
> leopard, even though my G4 machines certainly qualify for it. I don't
> use VPC very often, but when I need it, I most certainly need it. It
> might cause me to purchase a couple of intel machines, and that will
> take quite a bit more saving, than buying leopard.


The point is moot. Someone will buy Leopard today and will test VPC on
it within the next few days. We will know then.

Here's an even more compelling scenario:

Leopard now includes Boot Camp so it's out of beta. If you have a
Windows problem, who you gonna call? Microsoft will not support the OS
running in any environment that is foreign to MS (same as Parallels
Desktop). Looks like Apple are gonna have to train ppl to support
Windows.
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> Here's an even more compelling scenario:
>
> Leopard now includes Boot Camp so it's out of beta. If you have a
> Windows problem, who you gonna call? Microsoft will not support the OS
> running in any environment that is foreign to MS (same as Parallels
> Desktop). Looks like Apple are gonna have to train ppl to support
> Windows.
>


I do not agree herein. The Windows on an Intel Mac runs outside of the Mac
OS, so on the hardware itself not in an emulator. Bootcamp only cares that
the Windows OS can boot and has drivers. The Windows OS has all the rights
on support as long as one buys a retail version.

I might be receiving Leopard one of these days and see if VPC runs. But it's
not the way it has to be that users themselves have to test if software runs
on a new OS. The same to office 2004.
Switching to the mac is now a more and more heard phenomenon and MS would
bite in its own fingers when not supporting and building software for that
group of users any longer.
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Virtual PC is working for me on an 2Ghz iMac G5. My use case is pretty
simple though, just using IE to talk to a stupid bank that require you
use windows to access their on-line service.
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In article <C348041C.18E2%mbeen@kpnplanet.nl>, Mario Been
<mbeen RemoveThis @kpnplanet.nl> wrote:

> > Here's an even more compelling scenario:
> >
> > Leopard now includes Boot Camp so it's out of beta. If you have a
> > Windows problem, who you gonna call? Microsoft will not support the OS
> > running in any environment that is foreign to MS (same as Parallels
> > Desktop). Looks like Apple are gonna have to train ppl to support
> > Windows.
>
> I do not agree herein. The Windows on an Intel Mac runs outside of the Mac
> OS, so on the hardware itself not in an emulator. Bootcamp only cares that
> the Windows OS can boot and has drivers. The Windows OS has all the rights
> on support as long as one buys a retail version.
>
> I might be receiving Leopard one of these days and see if VPC runs. But it's
> not the way it has to be that users themselves have to test if software runs
> on a new OS. The same to office 2004.

Except VirtualPC is a dead product. Most companies will test CURRENT
products under Leopard and release updates if necessary, but they won't
bother testing old products.

The simple answer is that if you don't NEED to update to Leopard, then
don't. People have to work out the difference between "need" and simply
"want" - very few people actually need to update, let alone update the
day it's released. :o\

Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
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In article <1193417588.111882.99020.TakeThisOut@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
RKW <rkevwill.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> I sure hope he is NOT correct. If so, I will have to defer buying
> leopard, even though my G4 machines certainly qualify for it. I don't
> use VPC very often, but when I need it, I most certainly need it. It
> might cause me to purchase a couple of intel machines, and that will
> take quite a bit more saving, than buying leopard.

I also hope he isn't correct as I run it under Tiger on a G4/1.25.
However just in case I recently picked up a used top model first version
Intel Mini.
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In article <1193423165.576481.216090 DeleteThis @i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Paul Power <paulkpower DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> Leopard now includes Boot Camp so it's out of beta. If you have a
> Windows problem, who you gonna call? Microsoft will not support the OS
> running in any environment that is foreign to MS (same as Parallels
> Desktop). Looks like Apple are gonna have to train ppl to support
> Windows.
I tried to DL the Boot Camp beta last weekend and although the DL was
listed, BootCamp wasn't found.
Darn it, they removed the free DL early.

Just because Apple provides Boot Camp, it doesn't mean they need to
support Windows. Apple will just support the Book Camp functions.
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I agree with you 100% between the need and want.

Personally I want it (and just bought OSX 10.5) but I don't need it.
10.4.10 is working great on my PowerMac G5 and all my older G3 and G4
machines. VPC I don't absolutely need either because I have an old real XP
machine in the corner but I use VPC so I don't have to have 2 machines
running at times. But to run other Operating Systems like Linux and BeOS
VPC is more a need as I don't want/desire to have another 2 more machines
setup.


On 10/26/07 6:19 PM, in article
271020071119254047%helpful_harry@nom.de.plume.com, "Helpful Harry"
<helpful_harry.TakeThisOut@nom.de.plume.com> wrote:

> In article <C348041C.18E2%mbeen@kpnplanet.nl>, Mario Been
> <mbeen.TakeThisOut@kpnplanet.nl> wrote:
>
>>> Here's an even more compelling scenario:
>>>
>>> Leopard now includes Boot Camp so it's out of beta. If you have a
>>> Windows problem, who you gonna call? Microsoft will not support the OS
>>> running in any environment that is foreign to MS (same as Parallels
>>> Desktop). Looks like Apple are gonna have to train ppl to support
>>> Windows.
>>
>> I do not agree herein. The Windows on an Intel Mac runs outside of the Mac
>> OS, so on the hardware itself not in an emulator. Bootcamp only cares that
>> the Windows OS can boot and has drivers. The Windows OS has all the rights
>> on support as long as one buys a retail version.
>>
>> I might be receiving Leopard one of these days and see if VPC runs. But it's
>> not the way it has to be that users themselves have to test if software runs
>> on a new OS. The same to office 2004.
>
> Except VirtualPC is a dead product. Most companies will test CURRENT
> products under Leopard and release updates if necessary, but they won't
> bother testing old products.
>
> The simple answer is that if you don't NEED to update to Leopard, then
> don't. People have to work out the difference between "need" and simply
> "want" - very few people actually need to update, let alone update the
> day it's released. :o\
>
> Helpful Harry
> Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
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On Oct 27, 9:59 am, Colman <colman....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Virtual PC is working for me on an 2Ghz iMac G5. My use case is pretty
> simple though, just using IE to talk to a stupid bank that require you
> use windows to access their on-line service.

The point being that this is after I installed Leopard. <sheesh>
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So if that story of need and want was true, then we would all still be
running Mac OS 7 and Windows 3.x?


On 10/27/07 4:29 PM, in article C348C38A.2208%fmh@copper.net, "Fred Horvat"
<fmh.DeleteThis@copper.net> wrote:

> I agree with you 100% between the need and want.
>
> Personally I want it (and just bought OSX 10.5) but I don't need it.
> 10.4.10 is working great on my PowerMac G5 and all my older G3 and G4
> machines. VPC I don't absolutely need either because I have an old real XP
> machine in the corner but I use VPC so I don't have to have 2 machines
> running at times. But to run other Operating Systems like Linux and BeOS
> VPC is more a need as I don't want/desire to have another 2 more machines
> setup.
>
>
> On 10/26/07 6:19 PM, in article
> 271020071119254047%helpful_harry@nom.de.plume.com, "Helpful Harry"
> <helpful_harry.DeleteThis@nom.de.plume.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <C348041C.18E2%mbeen@kpnplanet.nl>, Mario Been
>> <mbeen.DeleteThis@kpnplanet.nl> wrote:
>>
>>>> Here's an even more compelling scenario:
>>>>
>>>> Leopard now includes Boot Camp so it's out of beta. If you have a
>>>> Windows problem, who you gonna call? Microsoft will not support the OS
>>>> running in any environment that is foreign to MS (same as Parallels
>>>> Desktop). Looks like Apple are gonna have to train ppl to support
>>>> Windows.
>>>
>>> I do not agree herein. The Windows on an Intel Mac runs outside of the Mac
>>> OS, so on the hardware itself not in an emulator. Bootcamp only cares that
>>> the Windows OS can boot and has drivers. The Windows OS has all the rights
>>> on support as long as one buys a retail version.
>>>
>>> I might be receiving Leopard one of these days and see if VPC runs. But it's
>>> not the way it has to be that users themselves have to test if software runs
>>> on a new OS. The same to office 2004.
>>
>> Except VirtualPC is a dead product. Most companies will test CURRENT
>> products under Leopard and release updates if necessary, but they won't
>> bother testing old products.
>>
>> The simple answer is that if you don't NEED to update to Leopard, then
>> don't. People have to work out the difference between "need" and simply
>> "want" - very few people actually need to update, let alone update the
>> day it's released. :o\
>>
>> Helpful Harry
>> Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
>
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I'm just trying out Leopard by installing it on an empty external
Firewire drive. (It took about 50mins. and about 20 mins of that was
verifying the install DVD.) After I started up, it asked if I wanted
to copy user, applications and network settings from my previous
(10.4.10) installation, and this included VPC v7.0.3. I'm running on a
Powerbook G4 15" 1.6GHz SD processor.

VPC seems to be running fine. I have XP Professional ed. with SP2
installed, and (perhaps foolishly) I started VPC without remembering I
had a previous session running. It reloaded okay, and I was able to
run my applications, incl. IE, and as I shut down, XP decided to
install 5 updates, which it did successfully.

I did come across a 'funny', but this could be an old problem which
happens under Tiger anyway -- I haven't tried this under Tiger:

in VPC press command-H to hide the application.
use command-tab to switch to something else, say Safari
use command-tab to switch back to VPC
the VPC windows (XP in my case, and the Virtual disk list window)
appear but the menus for VPC don't
you can use command-Q to quit.
if you use command-H to hide VPC again, and then switch back to VPC
using command-tab, the menus are back, so it's not a disaster.

Sayling
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In article <C349213F.1924%mbeen@kpnplanet.nl>, Mario Been
<mbeen.RemoveThis@kpnplanet.nl> wrote:

> So if that story of need and want was true, then we would all still be
> running Mac OS 7 and Windows 3.x?

Many people still do exactly that. Personally I'm still using Mac OS 9
on a beige G3 PowerMac because it does do almost everything I need,
including running my own business using DTP, print and FileMaker
software to do work for others.

How you spend your money is of course your decision, but it's
ridiculous complaining that a piece of (dead) software that you NEED
doesn't work on the new version of the OS that you simply WANT. Few
people actually NEED the latest operating system, even more so when
there is no software that actually requires it.

Every intelligent computer expert on the planet (unless their a
salesperson!) will tell you two things:

1. NEVER upgrade to version 1.0 of a product (or a beta version),
especially if you computer is critical use, eg. runs your entire
business.

2. NEVER upgrade until you're sure that ALL the software you NEED
actually works on the new computer / operating system.


Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
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