Will Virtual PC run in Leopard?

On Oct 30, 3:41 pm, Mac G <tomac....RemoveThis@PCheaven.net> wrote:
> In article <1193764530.864610.163....RemoveThis@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Paul Power <paulkpo....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> > On Oct 27, 5:03 am, Mac G <tomac....RemoveThis@PCheaven.net> wrote:
> > > In article <261020071910209401%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
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> > > nospam <nos....RemoveThis@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > > > virtual pc 7 is still being sold, and since all macs from today on ship
> > > > with leopard (although a few still have tiger on them), microsoft is
> > > > *has* to support it running on leopard. there is nothing at
> > > > microsoft.com that says it won't work in leopard.
>
> > > M$ may sell it, but that doesn't say it will work on the latest MacOS.
>
> > > M$ was selling VPC7 to Mac Intel users. It was a deal to purchasers of
> > > the full Office 2004 and no mention was made of not supporting Intel
> > > Macs. They now state that on their web site.
> > > I bought my copy of the latest VPC7/WinXP Pro from a chap who bought it
> > > with Office for his Intel Mac and couldn't return it.
>
> > Microsoft doen't sell software directly. You need to purchase through
> > retail/wholesale outlets. In addition, read the System Requirements
> > that are printed in plain view on the package. It states that it
> > requires a 700Mhz native* G3, G4, or G5 processor.
>
> The retailers either aren't being up front on VPC being incompatible
> with Intel Macs or they don't know.
> In the case of the copy I bought at a distressed price, the chap said
> the Best Buy people didn't know that limitation and they wouldn't take
> it back. He was a Switcher not up to date on all things Mac.
>
> I'm looking at the package now and there is nothing on it regarding the
> Macs it supports. It just says "Virtual PC version 7 for Mac".
> It would have been nice of M$ to have notified the selling chain, but I
> realize they wanted to unload their stock, which must be from before
> Intel Macs. They did that by unloading it at a deal price to those
> buying full Mac Office. They even had the deal on their web site,
> before they put up the Intel Mac limitation.
>
> I'm not complaining as I benefited, but just feeling sorry for the users
> taken in.- Hide quoted text -
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Take a look at the packaging again. On the back is a listing for
'System Requirements'. It's the very FIRST requirement. BTW, the price
of Office 2004 for Mac Professional has not changed at any time since
being deployed. There has been no 'deal price' and do you really think
that M$ needs to 'unload' stock? Ahhhhhhh, reality check??/
 >> Stay informed about: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard? 

In article <1193764530.864610.163920.TakeThisOut@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Paul Power <paulkpower.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 27, 5:03 am, Mac G <tomac....TakeThisOut@PCheaven.net> wrote:
> > In article <261020071910209401%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
> >
> > nospam <nos....TakeThisOut@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > > virtual pc 7 is still being sold, and since all macs from today on ship
> > > with leopard (although a few still have tiger on them), microsoft is
> > > *has* to support it running on leopard. there is nothing at
> > > microsoft.com that says it won't work in leopard.
> >
> > M$ may sell it, but that doesn't say it will work on the latest MacOS.
> >
> > M$ was selling VPC7 to Mac Intel users. It was a deal to purchasers of
> > the full Office 2004 and no mention was made of not supporting Intel
> > Macs. They now state that on their web site.
> > I bought my copy of the latest VPC7/WinXP Pro from a chap who bought it
> > with Office for his Intel Mac and couldn't return it.
>
>
> Microsoft doen't sell software directly. You need to purchase through
> retail/wholesale outlets. In addition, read the System Requirements
> that are printed in plain view on the package. It states that it
> requires a 700Mhz native* G3, G4, or G5 processor.

The retailers either aren't being up front on VPC being incompatible
with Intel Macs or they don't know.
In the case of the copy I bought at a distressed price, the chap said
the Best Buy people didn't know that limitation and they wouldn't take
it back. He was a Switcher not up to date on all things Mac.

I'm looking at the package now and there is nothing on it regarding the
Macs it supports. It just says "Virtual PC version 7 for Mac".
It would have been nice of M$ to have notified the selling chain, but I
realize they wanted to unload their stock, which must be from before
Intel Macs. They did that by unloading it at a deal price to those
buying full Mac Office. They even had the deal on their web site,
before they put up the Intel Mac limitation.

I'm not complaining as I benefited, but just feeling sorry for the users
taken in.
 >> Stay informed about: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard? 

In article <tomacguy-5E88C2.11413030102007.TakeThisOut@news.telus.net>, Mac G
<tomacguy.TakeThisOut@PCheaven.net> wrote:

> In article <1193764530.864610.163920.TakeThisOut@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Paul Power <paulkpower.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 27, 5:03 am, Mac G <tomac....TakeThisOut@PCheaven.net> wrote:
> > > In article <261020071910209401%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
> > >
> > > nospam <nos....TakeThisOut@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > > > virtual pc 7 is still being sold, and since all macs from today on ship
> > > > with leopard (although a few still have tiger on them), microsoft is
> > > > *has* to support it running on leopard. there is nothing at
> > > > microsoft.com that says it won't work in leopard.
> > >
> > > M$ may sell it, but that doesn't say it will work on the latest MacOS.
> > >
> > > M$ was selling VPC7 to Mac Intel users. It was a deal to purchasers of
> > > the full Office 2004 and no mention was made of not supporting Intel
> > > Macs. They now state that on their web site.
> > > I bought my copy of the latest VPC7/WinXP Pro from a chap who bought it
> > > with Office for his Intel Mac and couldn't return it.
> >
> >
> > Microsoft doen't sell software directly. You need to purchase through
> > retail/wholesale outlets. In addition, read the System Requirements
> > that are printed in plain view on the package. It states that it
> > requires a 700Mhz native* G3, G4, or G5 processor.
>
> The retailers either aren't being up front on VPC being incompatible
> with Intel Macs or they don't know.
> In the case of the copy I bought at a distressed price, the chap said
> the Best Buy people didn't know that limitation and they wouldn't take
> it back. He was a Switcher not up to date on all things Mac.
>
> I'm looking at the package now and there is nothing on it regarding the
> Macs it supports. It just says "Virtual PC version 7 for Mac".
> It would have been nice of M$ to have notified the selling chain, but I
> realize they wanted to unload their stock, which must be from before
> Intel Macs. They did that by unloading it at a deal price to those
> buying full Mac Office. They even had the deal on their web site,
> before they put up the Intel Mac limitation.
>
> I'm not complaining as I benefited, but just feeling sorry for the users
> taken in.

Salesdroids rarely know what they're talking about. That's mainly
because one week they're selling shoes, the next week they're selling
computers and the following week they're selling cars ... all they're
doing is chasing their commission / bonus.

As for the limitations of VirtualPC, I've been saying for years that it
needs a massive sticker on the front saying "NOT for games". :o\


Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
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In article <1193776657.639913.141380.DeleteThis@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Paul Power <paulkpower.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Take a look at the packaging again. On the back is a listing for
> 'System Requirements'. It's the very FIRST requirement. BTW, the price
> of Office 2004 for Mac Professional has not changed at any time since
> being deployed.
Absolutely nothing about system requirements on the VPC package I have.
Perhaps there was an outside package over it, which I don't have.

Nothing in the printed instructions about Intel Macs either. The Mac
requirements are stated as 700MHz+ G3, G4 or G5 running OS X.28 or X.3x.
Obviously this copy of VPC was packaged before the Intel Macs.

>There has been no 'deal price' and do you really think
> that M$ needs to 'unload' stock? Ahhhhhhh, reality check??/
Now lets not be nasty. I saw the deal advertised and the chap who sold
VPC to me quoted it. I believe it was $100 US for VPC7/WinXP Pro if you
bought Office 2004 full edition.

This copy which he just bought in the summer has VPC7.0, so it is "just
a bit" old. Of course M$ and/or the resellers had stock to unload. Who
isn't facing reality.

I'm going to leave this thread here Paul as you simply seem resistant to
facts. How much does M$ pay you?
 >> Stay informed about: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard? 

On Nov 5, 4:32 am, Mac G <tomac....TakeThisOut@PCheaven.net> wrote:
> In article <1193776657.639913.141....TakeThisOut@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Paul Power <paulkpo....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Take a look at the packaging again. On the back is a listing for
> > 'System Requirements'. It's the very FIRST requirement. BTW, the price
> > of Office 2004 for Mac Professional has not changed at any time since
> > being deployed.
>
> Absolutely nothing about system requirements on the VPC package I have.
> Perhaps there was an outside package over it, which I don't have.
>
> Nothing in the printed instructions about Intel Macs either. The Mac
> requirements are stated as 700MHz+ G3, G4 or G5 running OS X.28 or X.3x.
> Obviously this copy of VPC was packaged before the Intel Macs.
>
> >There has been no 'deal price' and do you really think
> > that M$ needs to 'unload' stock? Ahhhhhhh, reality check??/
>
> Now lets not be nasty. I saw the deal advertised and the chap who sold
> VPC to me quoted it. I believe it was $100 US for VPC7/WinXP Pro if you
> bought Office 2004 full edition.
>
> This copy which he just bought in the summer has VPC7.0, so it is "just
> a bit" old. Of course M$ and/or the resellers had stock to unload. Who
> isn't facing reality.
>
> I'm going to leave this thread here Paul as you simply seem resistant to
> facts. How much does M$ pay you?


I won't get into a huge debate with you here, Mac G. And I won't stoop
low enough reply to your last sentence:

However, just to 'refresh' your memory, this is a posting YOU made on
Oct 11 in another thread:

In article <tomacguy-EBC17B.00362025092....TakeThisOut@news.telus.net>,
Mac G <tomac....TakeThisOut@PCheaven.net> wrote:


> In article <1190656032.554130.144....TakeThisOut@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
> clew <d....TakeThisOut@wellspringlimited.com> wrote:

> > VPC Customer Service said " VPC isn't compatible with Mac OS 10.4".
> > So what's it for?



>That's strange, it runs fine on my G4/1.25 with Tiger X.4.10
>The below is the system requirements from my VPC 7.02 read me.


> 1 System requirements
> To install and run Virtual PC for Mac Version 7
> € A native G3, G4, or G5 Macintosh computer
> and/or accelerator cards are not supported
> Virtual PC
> € Mac OS 10.2.8, 10.3.x, 10.4.1 or later
> running Mac OS 10.3.x, 10.4.1 or later
> € 512 MB of RAM and 3 GB of free hard-disk
> € A 700 MHz processor, minimum


>It mentions Tiger, but the Getting Started book that came with it is out
>of date as it only says Jaguar or Panther.


So......stop trying to BS people and feigning ignorance about the
system requirements for VPC. It CLEARLY states G3, G4,or G5. Or do you
just read what you want?
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I just go a new MacBook Pro laptop with Leopard; I loaded VPC and it will not
launch. I wish I would have checked this discussion group before I bought VPC
back last fall. What a crock! There was a deal for Windows with the MacBook
Pro that I did not take because I though I already had a working windows
emulation.

I don't suppose there is any chance of any special offers from MS for an
alternative that works if they are not going to do any kind of updates for
VPC. This situation really blows!

"Mac G" wrote:

> In article <barmar-E7FF3D.00000824102007 DeleteThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> Barry Margolin <barmar DeleteThis @alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> > There's a difference between working on new
> > features and fixing bugs and making minor compatibility changes.
> > Obviously, porting VPC to Intel Macs would have been a major project,
> > and it's understandable why they didn't bother (especially since there's
> > heavy competition in that market: Boot Camp, Parallels, and CrossOver).
> > But supporting a new OS X release on PPC Macs shouldn't be as much work,
> > and we don't have any other alternative.
> I doubt M$ would do much to modify VPC for Leopard. There's no payoff
> in it for them.
> Lets wait and see if VPC works, only a week or so to hear user comments.
>
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Unfortunately, VPC for Mac requires a PPC, not Intel, Mac. Since it does
not run even under Rosetta there is no possibility of running it on a
MacBook Pro. Of course Leopard includes the Boot Camp 2.0 software
necessary for running Windows natively on your MacBook Pro (I use XP Pro on
my MacBook Pro that way) but you would have to buy a retail version of
Windows (full edition, no upgrade edition) to take advantage of it. The
version of Windows that came bundled with VPC for Mac cannot be installed
using Boot Camp.

"Mary Mac" <Mary Mac DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:014CD339-2B8A-42DF-99D9-299D09F5C9F4@microsoft.com...
>I just go a new MacBook Pro laptop with Leopard; I loaded VPC and it will
>not
> launch. I wish I would have checked this discussion group before I bought
> VPC
> back last fall. What a crock! There was a deal for Windows with the
> MacBook
> Pro that I did not take because I though I already had a working windows
> emulation.
>
> I don't suppose there is any chance of any special offers from MS for an
> alternative that works if they are not going to do any kind of updates for
> VPC. This situation really blows!
>
> "Mac G" wrote:
>
>> In article <barmar-E7FF3D.00000824102007 DeleteThis @comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
>> Barry Margolin <barmar DeleteThis @alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > There's a difference between working on new
>> > features and fixing bugs and making minor compatibility changes.
>> > Obviously, porting VPC to Intel Macs would have been a major project,
>> > and it's understandable why they didn't bother (especially since
>> > there's
>> > heavy competition in that market: Boot Camp, Parallels, and CrossOver).
>> > But supporting a new OS X release on PPC Macs shouldn't be as much
>> > work,
>> > and we don't have any other alternative.
>> I doubt M$ would do much to modify VPC for Leopard. There's no payoff
>> in it for them.
>> Lets wait and see if VPC works, only a week or so to hear user comments.
>>
 >> Stay informed about: Will Virtual PC run in Leopard? 

In article <014CD339-2B8A-42DF-99D9-299D09F5C9F4.RemoveThis@microsoft.com>,
Mary Mac <Mary Mac.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I just go a new MacBook Pro laptop with Leopard; I loaded VPC and it will not
> launch. I wish I would have checked this discussion group before I bought VPC

This has nothing to do with Leopard. VPC-Mac only runs on PowerPC Macs,
MacBooks are Intel.

--
Barry Margolin, barmar.RemoveThis@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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