scsi internal drive in g4?

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:02:36 -0500, Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2007-09-23 17:12:33 -0500, Henri <h.RemoveThis@dontbother.fu> said:
>
>> I've an old powercomputing mac clone which I've been using for close to
>> 10 years (the machine crawls at 180 mhz). I took the machine apart and
>> recovered a 6 gig scsi hd that I plan on installing on a G4
>> (digital-audio). Can this model (the g4) handle scsi?
>
> Only with a SCSI PCI card installed.

will any such card do? I would need one that'd be ok for os 8.6 (yeah, I
still use 8.6 -actually the disk shall host 8.6) thru X.2
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On 2007-09-24 06:03:14 -0500, Henri <h DeleteThis @dontbother.fu> said:

> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:02:36 -0500, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> On 2007-09-23 17:12:33 -0500, Henri <h DeleteThis @dontbother.fu> said:
>>
>>> I've an old powercomputing mac clone which I've been using for close to
>>> 10 years (the machine crawls at 180 mhz). I took the machine apart and
>>> recovered a 6 gig scsi hd that I plan on installing on a G4
>>> (digital-audio). Can this model (the g4) handle scsi?
>>
>> Only with a SCSI PCI card installed.
>
> will any such card do? I would need one that'd be ok for os 8.6 (yeah, I
> still use 8.6 -actually the disk shall host 8.6) thru X.2

The ones I have most experience with are from Adaptec. The Adaptec PCI
SCSI cards for Macintosh I've used in the past have worked quite well.

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In article <46f79971$0$27770$426a74cc@news.free.fr>, Henri <h.RemoveThis@dontbother.fu> writes:
>On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:02:36 -0500, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> On 2007-09-23 17:12:33 -0500, Henri <h.RemoveThis@dontbother.fu> said:
>>
>>> I've an old powercomputing mac clone which I've been using for close to
>>> 10 years (the machine crawls at 180 mhz). I took the machine apart and
>>> recovered a 6 gig scsi hd that I plan on installing on a G4
>>> (digital-audio). Can this model (the g4) handle scsi?
>>
>> Only with a SCSI PCI card installed.
>
>will any such card do? I would need one that'd be ok for os 8.6 (yeah, I
>still use 8.6 -actually the disk shall host 8.6) thru X.2

The problem is more with OS-X than with OS 8. Adaptec cards that are specified
as Mac compatible will do. ATTO cards as well but these are expensive.

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:22:25 -0500, Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2007-09-24 06:03:14 -0500, Henri <h RemoveThis @dontbother.fu> said:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:02:36 -0500, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> On 2007-09-23 17:12:33 -0500, Henri <h RemoveThis @dontbother.fu> said:
>>>
>>>> I've an old powercomputing mac clone which I've been using for close
>>>> to 10 years (the machine crawls at 180 mhz). I took the machine apart
>>>> and recovered a 6 gig scsi hd that I plan on installing on a G4
>>>> (digital-audio). Can this model (the g4) handle scsi?
>>>
>>> Only with a SCSI PCI card installed.
>>
>> will any such card do? I would need one that'd be ok for os 8.6 (yeah,
>> I still use 8.6 -actually the disk shall host 8.6) thru X.2
>
> The ones I have most experience with are from Adaptec. The Adaptec PCI
> SCSI cards for Macintosh I've used in the past have worked quite well.

ok, thank you
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In article <fd870o$de8$1@news.belwue.de>,
gartmann.RemoveThis@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:

> In article <46f79971$0$27770$426a74cc@news.free.fr>, Henri <h.RemoveThis@dontbother.fu>
> writes:
> >On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:02:36 -0500, Jolly Roger wrote:
> >
> >> On 2007-09-23 17:12:33 -0500, Henri <h.RemoveThis@dontbother.fu> said:
> >>
> >>> I've an old powercomputing mac clone which I've been using for close to
> >>> 10 years (the machine crawls at 180 mhz). I took the machine apart and
> >>> recovered a 6 gig scsi hd that I plan on installing on a G4
> >>> (digital-audio). Can this model (the g4) handle scsi?
> >>
> >> Only with a SCSI PCI card installed.
> >
> >will any such card do? I would need one that'd be ok for os 8.6 (yeah, I
> >still use 8.6 -actually the disk shall host 8.6) thru X.2
>
> The problem is more with OS-X than with OS 8. Adaptec cards that are
> specified
> as Mac compatible will do. ATTO cards as well but these are expensive.
>
> Regards,
> Christoph Gartmann

Henri, I used an Adaptec 2906 card with my G4 Sawtooth years ago, for a
scsi scanner. It worked perfectly until OSX Panther, so I took it out
and bought a firewire scanner. I still have the card. If you want it,
and if it doesn't cost a lot to send it to France, email me privately
with your address, and I'll mail it to you. I might not still have the
driver CD that came with it, but that version has been superseded (you
can probably find the latest version online somewhere).
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Henri <h RemoveThis @dontbother.fu> wrote:

> will any such card do? I would need one that'd be ok for os 8.6 (yeah, I
> still use 8.6 -actually the disk shall host 8.6) thru X.2

In order to start up the Mac from a SCSI drive, the SCSI adapter card
must have Mac firmware. The Adaptec PowerDomain 2930 can boot a G4, but
the Adaptec 2906 cannot.
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:52:52 -0400, magdalena wrote:

> In article <fd870o$de8$1@news.belwue.de>,
> gartmann DeleteThis @nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:
>
>> In article <46f79971$0$27770$426a74cc@news.free.fr>, Henri
>> <h DeleteThis @dontbother.fu> writes:
>> >On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:02:36 -0500, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2007-09-23 17:12:33 -0500, Henri <h DeleteThis @dontbother.fu> said:
>> >>
>> >>> I've an old powercomputing mac clone which I've been using for
>> >>> close to 10 years (the machine crawls at 180 mhz). I took the
>> >>> machine apart and recovered a 6 gig scsi hd that I plan on
>> >>> installing on a G4 (digital-audio). Can this model (the g4) handle
>> >>> scsi?
>> >>
>> >> Only with a SCSI PCI card installed.
>> >
>> >will any such card do? I would need one that'd be ok for os 8.6 (yeah,
>> >I still use 8.6 -actually the disk shall host 8.6) thru X.2
>>
>> The problem is more with OS-X than with OS 8. Adaptec cards that are
>> specified
>> as Mac compatible will do. ATTO cards as well but these are expensive.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Christoph Gartmann
>
> Henri, I used an Adaptec 2906 card with my G4 Sawtooth years ago, for a
> scsi scanner. It worked perfectly until OSX Panther, so I took it out
> and bought a firewire scanner. I still have the card. If you want it,
> and if it doesn't cost a lot to send it to France, email me privately
> with your address, and I'll mail it to you. I might not still have the
> driver CD that came with it, but that version has been superseded (you
> can probably find the latest version online somewhere).

Magdalena,

That was just the card I was thinking about (currently browsing the
adapted website), and yeah, that would be very kind of you. Perhaps I
could pay for the shipping? Anyway you may reach me at:
henri dot baeyens at free dot fr
and we'll discuss the matter. Thank you.
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B'ichela wrote:
> In article <1i4ya9k.1jji0gkg3ipw2N%massello@newsguy.com>, Neill Massello wrote:
>> Henri <h.TakeThisOut@dontbother.fu> wrote:
>>
>>> will any such card do? I would need one that'd be ok for os 8.6 (yeah, I
>>> still use 8.6 -actually the disk shall host 8.6) thru X.2
>> In order to start up the Mac from a SCSI drive, the SCSI adapter card
>> must have Mac firmware. The Adaptec PowerDomain 2930 can boot a G4, but
>> the Adaptec 2906 cannot.
>>
> Absoloutly true! but if he wants a card that would be cool for
> both Wide and narrow Scsi and can boot both. he should look on ebay
> for a powerdomain (its the Adaptec Mac line) aha-2940UW-mac which can
> also boot scsi CD/DVD drives as well. If he wants the fastest, meanest
> card that I know of, he can look for a powerdomain aha2940U2-MAC I am
> sure one can find those on Ebay relativly cheaply.
>

Or even the AHA-29160 / 39160, both can be used with blue & white G3
onwards, with OS8.x to 10.4, they support wide and narrow SCSI and are
the fastest Mac cards Adaptec produced.
They are bootable and very quick if used with 15000 RPM Ultra-160 drives.
The only problem is that the Pre-Release versions of 10.5 will not
install with one fitted (I think 10.5 has problems with any bootable
SCSI card), However I don't think Henri has a machine that will ever run
10.5 so this should not be a problem.
Ben.
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In article <1i4ya9k.1jji0gkg3ipw2N%massello@newsguy.com>, Neill Massello wrote:
> Henri <h.TakeThisOut@dontbother.fu> wrote:
>
>> will any such card do? I would need one that'd be ok for os 8.6 (yeah, I
>> still use 8.6 -actually the disk shall host 8.6) thru X.2
>
> In order to start up the Mac from a SCSI drive, the SCSI adapter card
> must have Mac firmware. The Adaptec PowerDomain 2930 can boot a G4, but
> the Adaptec 2906 cannot.
>
Absoloutly true! but if he wants a card that would be cool for
both Wide and narrow Scsi and can boot both. he should look on ebay
for a powerdomain (its the Adaptec Mac line) aha-2940UW-mac which can
also boot scsi CD/DVD drives as well. If he wants the fastest, meanest
card that I know of, he can look for a powerdomain aha2940U2-MAC I am
sure one can find those on Ebay relativly cheaply.

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:22:11 -0600, Neill Massello wrote:

> Henri <h.TakeThisOut@dontbother.fu> wrote:
>
>> will any such card do? I would need one that'd be ok for os 8.6 (yeah,
>> I still use 8.6 -actually the disk shall host 8.6) thru X.2
>
> In order to start up the Mac from a SCSI drive, the SCSI adapter card
> must have Mac firmware. The Adaptec PowerDomain 2930 can boot a G4, but
> the Adaptec 2906 cannot.

so, the 2906 won't let me boot from the scsi drive? mmh... bummer
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Henri <henri RemoveThis @dontevenbother.fr> wrote:

> so, the 2906 won't let me boot from the scsi drive? mmh... bummer

Why do you want to? That SCSI drive is very small and very slow by
current standards. Your G4 will run much faster when booted from a
recent ATA drive. (You can't boot that machine from Mac OS 8.6, by the
way.)

SCSI is dying at the enterprise level and essentially dead at the
consumer level. Don't invest any more in it than you need to. If you
can't get the network method to work, find the cheapest SCSI adapter
(probably an Adaptec 2906) that will work in your G4, transfer the data
from the SCSI drive to one of the G4's ATA drives, delete your personal
data from the SCSI drive, then pull it and the adapter card out the G4.
If you have no further use for the Power Computing clone, put the SCSI
drive back in it and give the thing away. Then sell the adapter card and
forget about SCSI.
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:49:27 -0600, Neill Massello wrote:

> Henri <henri.TakeThisOut@dontevenbother.fr> wrote:
>
>> so, the 2906 won't let me boot from the scsi drive? mmh... bummer
>
> Why do you want to? That SCSI drive is very small and very slow by
> current standards. Your G4 will run much faster when booted from a
> recent ATA drive. (You can't boot that machine from Mac OS 8.6, by the
> way.)
>
> SCSI is dying at the enterprise level and essentially dead at the
> consumer level. Don't invest any more in it than you need to. If you
> can't get the network method to work, find the cheapest SCSI adapter
> (probably an Adaptec 2906) that will work in your G4, transfer the data
> from the SCSI drive to one of the G4's ATA drives, delete your personal
> data from the SCSI drive, then pull it and the adapter card out the G4.
> If you have no further use for the Power Computing clone, put the SCSI
> drive back in it and give the thing away. Then sell the adapter card and
> forget about SCSI.

ohh... more bad news! I have old scsi devices, a zip drive, a scanner,
the hard drive; the zip drive was first replaced by a usb one which I
don't use anymore since usb keys came around; bought a new usb scanner
(the old scsi one gathers dust on a shelf). I know scsi's almost dead but
the whole point was to be able to reuse the scsi drive (even though I
suspect it might be slower than the newer drives but in 1998 it was
amongst the fastest drives). I'm in no need of disk space but that
appears to be a case of me trying to salvage devices before finally come
to the inevitable conclusion that their time is up. I'm a romantic.
Anyway...
And you say a g4 can't boot os 8.6? Why the hell not? Is it strictly
software? or are there hardware incompatibilities?

It appears that the only thing I might be able to reuse is the adb
keyboard (gotta get an adapter); I never quite liked the new mac kbrds
anyway.
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In article <46f6e4d1$0$28062$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
Henri <h DeleteThis @dontbother.fu> wrote:

> Hello,
> I've an old powercomputing mac clone which I've been using
> for close to 10 years (the machine crawls at 180 mhz). I took the machine
> apart and recovered a 6 gig scsi hd that I plan on installing on a G4
> (digital-audio). Can this model (the g4) handle scsi?
>
> Thank you

I have an Adaptec 2930 in my Quicksilver (G4) and it always worked well
until I retired my (still working) SCSI drives. I just can't imagine
that the PCI card expense and hassle is worth 6GB, however.
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