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Bob Ball

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:36 pm
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Can a beige G3 be tricked out to drive a 1600x900 widescreen monitor? If
not, what are the oldest Macs capable of working with that monitor?

The background:

My neighbor, a long-time Mac user but with limited breadth of
experience, recently agreed to administer a club website, with his beige
G3 and what must be a 15-year-old 13-inch monitor capable of 800x600
resolution or some such.

The monitor had a difficult time displaying a full page. It went out in
the trash today.

I'm his reluctant guru. I'm trying to give him a crash course in webpage
maintenance and design, with my own limited experience and Dreamweaver
MX.

I made the mistake of suggesting he should get a new monitor, without
thinking about how much monitor his G3 could use.

I got a call from his wife at Staples -- she saw a choice between a
1024x768 17inch monitor and a 19-inch widescreen 1600x900 monitor, both
for under $200. I urged the 19-inch....and then realized a few minutes
later it might be too much for the G3, as it is for my Pismo G3 and
probably my wife's 1.2ghz 12-inch G4 iBook.

While she was driving the monitor home, I frantically looked through
low-end mac to see the video specs. Sure enough, it seems it can deal
only with a 1024x768 monitor. I'm pretty sure it has just 2mb of video
ram. And when we connnected it, the G3 stretched and distorted the image
horizontally to fill the screen.

He realizes the value of the larger screen, including real estate for
Dreamweaver's palettes etc., so he's inclined to keep the monitor for
now. I'm considering suggesting he return it for the 17-inch.

With more VRAM -- 6mb is max -- might the beige G3 drive the larger
monitor?

I've no experience with video cards, but would that make a difference?

If my neighbor buys a newer but used Mac, what's the oldest (i.e.
cheapest) machine or machine/video card combo that could drive this
widescreen monitor?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:52 pm
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In article <bobball-D0B71D.21362308112006.TakeThisOut@news.chartermi.net>,
Bob Ball <bobball.TakeThisOut@chartermi.nope.net> wrote:

> Can a beige G3 be tricked out to drive a 1600x900 widescreen monitor? If
> not, what are the oldest Macs capable of working with that monitor?
>
> The background:
>
> My neighbor, a long-time Mac user but with limited breadth of
> experience, recently agreed to administer a club website, with his beige
> G3 and what must be a 15-year-old 13-inch monitor capable of 800x600
> resolution or some such.
>
> The monitor had a difficult time displaying a full page. It went out in
> the trash today.
>
> I'm his reluctant guru. I'm trying to give him a crash course in webpage
> maintenance and design, with my own limited experience and Dreamweaver
> MX.
>
> I made the mistake of suggesting he should get a new monitor, without
> thinking about how much monitor his G3 could use.
>
> I got a call from his wife at Staples -- she saw a choice between a
> 1024x768 17inch monitor and a 19-inch widescreen 1600x900 monitor, both
> for under $200. I urged the 19-inch....and then realized a few minutes
> later it might be too much for the G3, as it is for my Pismo G3 and
> probably my wife's 1.2ghz 12-inch G4 iBook.
>
> While she was driving the monitor home, I frantically looked through
> low-end mac to see the video specs. Sure enough, it seems it can deal
> only with a 1024x768 monitor. I'm pretty sure it has just 2mb of video
> ram. And when we connnected it, the G3 stretched and distorted the image
> horizontally to fill the screen.
>
> He realizes the value of the larger screen, including real estate for
> Dreamweaver's palettes etc., so he's inclined to keep the monitor for
> now. I'm considering suggesting he return it for the 17-inch.
>
> With more VRAM -- 6mb is max -- might the beige G3 drive the larger
> monitor?
>
> I've no experience with video cards, but would that make a difference?
>
> If my neighbor buys a newer but used Mac, what's the oldest (i.e.
> cheapest) machine or machine/video card combo that could drive this
> widescreen monitor?

He could keep the new monitor and get a MacMini to go with it.

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Bob Ball

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:31 pm
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>
> He could keep the new monitor and get a MacMini to go with it.

I think he plans to keep the monitor. I showed him the mini, but I think
that's too high for him now.

I guess I need to check out video specs for slower G4 desktops.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:01 am
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In article <bobball-E63533.23313908112006.DeleteThis@news.chartermi.net>,
Bob Ball <bobball.DeleteThis@chartermi.nope.net> wrote:

> >
> > He could keep the new monitor and get a MacMini to go with it.
>
> I think he plans to keep the monitor. I showed him the mini, but I think
> that's too high for him now.
>
> I guess I need to check out video specs for slower G4 desktops.

I did some Googling to see that the Radeon 7000 will work in a Beige G3,
and deliver up to 1600x1200 resolution.

I wonder if that means it would also deliver 1600x900?

The original card wouldn't work in that machine in OSX. My neighbor uses
OS9, although I'd like to nudge him into X. But one eBay auction of the
7000 indicates that a firmware upgrade makes the card OSX compatible.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:08 am
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Bob Ball wrote:
> In article <bobball-E63533.23313908112006 DeleteThis @news.chartermi.net>,
> Bob Ball <bobball DeleteThis @chartermi.nope.net> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > He could keep the new monitor and get a MacMini to go with it.
> >
> > I think he plans to keep the monitor. I showed him the mini, but I think
> > that's too high for him now.
> >
> > I guess I need to check out video specs for slower G4 desktops.
>
> I did some Googling to see that the Radeon 7000 will work in a Beige G3,
> and deliver up to 1600x1200 resolution.
>
> I wonder if that means it would also deliver 1600x900?
>
> The original card wouldn't work in that machine in OSX. My neighbor uses
> OS9, although I'd like to nudge him into X. But one eBay auction of the
> 7000 indicates that a firmware upgrade makes the card OSX compatible.
I have several 4MB SGRAM (video RAM) upgrade cards for the Beige G3.
Want one? send me your address, I'll drop it in an envelope and away
y'go.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:17 pm
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In article <1163063317.918242.94030 RemoveThis @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"dg" <david.goodnow RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> I have several 4MB SGRAM (video RAM) upgrade cards for the Beige G3.
> Want one? send me your address, I'll drop it in an envelope and away
> y'go.


Can another G3 user get in on that?

My Aging G3 Desktop is running an IBM G74 monitor which I got a few
years back on the refurb rack at a local store for cheap money (undr
$100 at the time) but its developing a bright stripe about 1/2 way
down from the top and some other manifestations that tell me its on
the way out soon. In fact if I shut it off, it takes a long time for
it to fully pull the image open and it stays all wavy at the top until
its warmed up and stabalized.

So I know I'm in for a new monitor soon. I've put in the order to
Santa Claus and am waiting to see what happens, but I suspect that I
may need to add video RAM myself. I'm certain it has just the stock 2
MB installed.

DMK
Boston, MA
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